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Phanatik@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I don't understand the comments suggesting this is "guilty by proxy". These platforms have algorithms designed to keep you engaged and through their callousness, have allowed extremist content to remain visible.

Are we going to ignore all the anti-vaxxer groups who fueled vaccine hesitancy which resulted in long dead diseases making a resurgence?

To call Facebook anything less than complicit in the rise of extremist ideologies and conspiratorial beliefs, is extremely short-sighted.

"But Freedom of Speech!"

If that speech causes harm like convincing a teenager to walk into a grocery store and gunning people down is a good idea, you don't deserve to have that speech. Sorry, you've violated the social contract and those people's blood is on your hands.

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firadin@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Not just “remain visible” - actively promoted. There’s a reason people talk about Youtube’s right-wing content pipeline. If you start watching anything male-oriented, Youtube will start slowly promoting more and more right-wing content to you until you’re watching Ben Shaprio and Andrew Tate

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- BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  YouTube is really bad about trying to show you right wing crap. It’s overwhelming. The shorts are even worse. Every few minutes there’s some new suggestion for some stuff that is way out of the norm.
  
  Tiktok doesn’t have this problem and is being attacked by politicians?
  
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- Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I got into painting mini Warhammer 40k figurines during covid, and thought the lore was pretty interesting.
  
  Every time I watch a video, my suggested feed goes from videos related to my hobbies to entirely replaced with red pill garbage. The right wing channels have to be highly profitable to YouTube to funnel people into, just an endless tornado of rage and constant viewing.
  
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  - Gullible@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The algorithm is, after all, optimized for nothing other than advertisements/time period. So long as the algorithm believes that a video suggestion will keep you on the website for a minute more, it will suggest it. I occasionally wonder about the implications of one topic leading to another. Is WH40k suggested by demographics alone or more?
    
    Irritation at suggestions was actually what originally led me to invidious. I just wanted to watch a speech without hitting the “____ GETS DUNKED ON LIKE A TINY LITTLE BITCH” zone. Fuck me for trying to verify information.
    
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- reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  it legit took youtube’s autoplay about half an hour after I searched “counting macros” to bring me to american monarchist content
  
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  - Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh are we doing kings now?
    
    Vote for me for King, I’ll make sure there’s a taco truck on every corner.
    
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    captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’ll vote for you if you make me the Marquess of Michigan
    
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cows_are_underrated@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

“But freedom of speech”

If that speech causes harm like convincing a teenager walking into a grocery store and gunning people down is a good idea, you don’t deserve to have that speech.

In Germany we have a very good rule for this(its not written down, but that’s something you can usually count onto). Your freedom ends, where it violates the freedom of others. Examples for this: Everyone has the right to live a healthy life and everyone has the right to walk wherever you want. If I now take my right to walk wherever to want to cause a car accident with people getting hurt(and it was only my fault). My freedom violated the right that the person who has been hurt to life a healthy life. That’s not freedom.

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- Syringe@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  In Canada, they have an idea called “right to peace”. It means that you can’t stand outside of an abortion clinic and scream at people because your right to free speech doesn’t exceed that person’s right to peace.
  
  I don’t know if that’s 100% how it works so someone can sort me out, but I kind of liked that idea
  
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- RaoulDook@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Very reasonable, close to the “Golden Rule” concept of being excellent to each other
  
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SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This may seem baseless, but I have seen this from years of experience in online forums. You don’t have to take it seriously, but maybe you can relate. We have seen time and time again that if there is no moderation then the shit floats to the top. The reason being that when people can’t post something creative or fun, but they still want the attention, they will post negative. It’s the loud minority, but it’s a very dedicated loud minority. Let’s say we have 5 people and 4 of them are very creative time and funny, but 1 of them complains all the time. If they make posts to the same community then there is a very good chance that the one negative person will make a lot more posts than the 4 creative types.

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driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What about youtube? That had actually paid those people to spread their sick ideas, making the world a worst place and getting rich while doing it.

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afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Ok…don’t complain to me later when the thing you like gets taken down.

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