Ml will be long term poison to the group. There’s nothing new to say over there, all their own threads are circular.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Lemmy.ml is not only a massive instance, it is also the original and core lemmy instance. Widespread defederation would be like a nuclear bomb to the lemmy platform.
Some people have developed alternatives in the threadiverse like kbin or piefed. If lemmy.ml is truly too far aflight for users to tolerate, it seems likely that alternative platforms will fill in the gaps. For now, lemmy is still a thriving and growing platform.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 months ago
rambaroo@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
Yeah because lemmy world never circlejerksv about anything. Meanwhile you’re literally in one now.
beardown@lemm.ee 8 months ago
.world spent months denying the genocide in Gaza. It’s a shithole that is likely an op run by western governments to herd in normies and push favorable narratives. Not remotely hard to see that
GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 months ago
That’s a joke. I’ve seen denial comments but from the very start world was always pro Palestine. This does not mean there are no examples of Gaza denial on . World
qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It’s not thriving. The devs are prickly arseholes, which is anathema to building a cooperative, volunteer-driven dev community and the tone of many mainstream communities is obnoxiously set by tankies amd their alts.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Probably one of if not the biggest reasons people had poor experiences on Lemmy was because they signed up on Lemmy.ml
stoly@lemmy.world 8 months ago
LOL this was me. I thought it would be cool to be on the DEV instance and didn’t know that it had a whole lot of other baggage on it.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It would’ve been me too, but when I started looking at Lemmy the dev’s instance was closed along with many others, so the first one was Lemmy.world for me. While Lemmy.world has its flaws it’s still way better than ml, really dodged a bullet there.
matcha_addict@lemy.lol 8 months ago
What have they done to prevent a cooperative, volunteer driven dev community?
My experience contributing to lemmy was not bad, albeit it was pretty small thing.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
If instances can participate in asymmetric information warfare without reprisal, the Lemmy experiment has failed.
good_girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
This is the biggest fucking loser nerd shit i’ve ever read on this site lmfao
Badeendje@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So what if it is the original? Bad moderation, combined with idolation of authoritarianism is some poisonous stuff.
The question is if admins are willing to have an open conversation about the moderation and content.
But deFederation is a fine solution. Then the admins on .ml have their way and they can have their little hermit kingdom without any dissenting views. And we can go on with out lives without their bile in our feeds and threads.
bouh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s crazy that people here want the most authoritarian measure to fight authoritarianism somehow…
Badeendje@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What people, what authoritarian measure?
You mean it is strange that sane, normal people want to stop authoritarian/totalitarian fanboys from spreading hatefull falsehoods, stifling dissent using bans and heavy moderation?
Well if that is your idea of what should be acceptable, we disagree. The Overton window should remain in the middle and not be allowed to stretch to include these extremist views. Not from the “right” or “left”.
bouh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This thread is about de federating from lemmy.lm. Because some fascists here are on a witch hunt against some people from hexbear.
It is literally telling everyone that either they defederate from hexbear or they defederate from lemmy.world.
Typical trump diplomacy btw.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 8 months ago
If that’s what it takes I’m ready to switch to a new platform today. Let’s fork and make something healthy.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You might also be interested in checking out kbin, mbin, SubLinks (under development), or PieFed. they each emerged for the reasons we are talking about. They are all free to try and AFAIK interoperable with lemmy for the time being.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Thank you. I’ve been hearing bad things about Kbin the last few weeks, but Mbin and SubLinks sound promising.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Widespread defederation has been the norm, though. It has always been a thing, and many threads exist going back and forth on mutual defederation for ages.
And also, the only reason I’m on Lemmy.world and not .ml is precisely because of their moderation and their community. I’m the example you’re talking about.
I say bite the bullet and break the cord already. This is not the first or only thread calling for defederation of Lemmy.ml.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What I’m saying is that this is a unique instance. I also think that for my purposes, .world is a much better option, and I think that for most people, it’s a much healthier and more stable place. I’m just not sure that the rest of lemmy can survive without .ml - It is literally where the development of the platform happens.
What do you do when you have defederated from the developers of the platform you’re using? How do you have a working relationship to meet users needs? Someone will say just fork it, but that’s essentially the same as launching a new platform. As I mentioned, others have done exactly that, partly for technical reasons relating to the vision of what the platform should be, but also for political reasons.
I’m not advocating for anything, i’m simply stating some of the realities of the platform we are using.
rambaroo@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
Lemmy.world will happily destroy lemmy as a whole if the only other choice is allying with leftists. That’s what liberal “centrists” always do when push comes to shove.
Badeendje@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What? That is just a silly argument.
People are discussing destructive moderation by .ml mods. And the damage this is causing to the community. And you go and turn it around by accusing .world of destruction of Lemmy in the hypothetical situation that consequences are connected to behavior of .ml mods and admins.
I believe the term for this is gaslighting?
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is what Tankies seem incapable of understanding. We don’t dislike you because you’re leftists. We dislike you because you’re authoritarian simping assholes.
Go to ml and condemn Russia for their war crimes against LGBT Ukrainians. See how long it takes for you to get banned for going against their beloved country.