Comment on Why don't we hear more about the 2017 Las Vegas shooting? It was the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, we never found a motive, and it seems no one ever mentions it.

Witchfire@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• PatFussy@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not trying to minimize the bump stock thing but I would wager that having 23 different guns and hundreds of rounds of ammo is why so many people got shot that night. This guy had it all planned out including bipods, red dots, cameras etc. this guy even went as far as to nailing his door shut so in any case someone got to his hotel before he was done, he would have extra time.

  Yeah the bump stocks made a difference but I don’t think it was by that much.

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  • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    For those of us who don’t wank ourselves to sleep every night to pictures of guns and have no idea what the fuck a bump stock is -

    Essentially, bump stocks assist rapid fire by “bumping” the trigger against one’s finger (as opposed to one’s finger pulling on the trigger), thus allowing the firearm’s recoil, plus constant forward pressure by the non-shooting arm, to actuate the trigger

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    • Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For those of us who don’t wank ourselves to sleep every night to pictures of guns and have no idea what the fuck a bump stock is

      Interesting observation, I’d have thought anyone old enough at the time to follow news of the largest mass shooting in history would have known, especially since bump stocks became one of the largest causes of gun debate at the time, before Glock switches. Since you don’t watch news about gun violence wank yourself to sleep watching gun videos every night, here’s what that is:

      A Glock switch or Glock auto-sear (sometimes called a button or a giggle switch) is a small device that can be attached to the rear of the slide of a Glock handgun, converting the semi-automatic pistol into a machine pistol capable of fully automatic fire.

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      • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        largest discussion point

        Ha ha you seem to misunderstand that most other countrys’ entire discussion of the matter was “Fucksake the backwards yanks are at it again, must be a day with a ‘Y’ in it” 🙄

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  • Witchfire@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah that’s fair, the guy was armed to the teeth. The bump stock is just the icing on the shit cake.

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  • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can someone who’s more into gun stuff tell me why people are always talking about the amount of guns someone has?

    What makes 23 different guns better than one good one? I can see the point of having like two, in case the first jams, but based on my (limited) experience I would much rather have a single HK416 than a dozen of anything else.

    Also with fewer guns you need fewer ammo types (unless you for some reason have 23 guns with the same ammo, which to me makes even less sense).

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    • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Can someone who’s more into gun stuff tell me why people are always talking about the number of guns someone has?

      Can be one of several things, or usually a combination:

      • to show how prepared they were
      • to imply the person was crazy because they had that many guns
      • to imply people having that many guns somehow itself makes them more dangerous

      A lot of it is just rhetoric

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      • CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But it also does raise the question: why did the shooter think he needed a lot of guns?

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    • phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He brought all those guns to the hotel room he shot from. I imagine it was so he could shoot as many rounds at the crowd with out the need to reload.

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      • skyspydude1@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But that really makes no sense. Unless you have them all set up in a row pointed exactly where you want, you’re probably not even saving half a second vs reloading. The old “switching is faster than reloading” thing doesn’t apply nearly as much when you’re at a static position and can have all your mags out in the open at arm’s reach.

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    • skyspydude1@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because it grabs attention and sounds scary, which really what media outlets care about. My other favorite is when they talk about someone having being caught with “hundreds of rounds of ammunition”, which clearly indicates that’s how many people they were planning on murdering, and isn’t just a pretty typical range day, or in the case of reallly common stuff like 9mm, 22LR, or even 223, can literally be a single box of ammo.

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    • PatFussy@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The guy just had a lot of guns. He had 23 with him and he had like another 20 at home.

      But I would also imagine that him having them all loaded put into a row in his suite is faster than reloading.

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      • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A lot of people this thing about reloading, but honestly, my reload time after a couple weeks of basic training was under the five seconds you need to pass, and after a couple months of service plenty of people were closer to three seconds. I have a hard time imagining that swapping weapons is quicker. I guess the reloading thing might be the reason to have many guns, but it strikes me as a strange one.

        And really, I’m not only talking about this specific case, I get the feeling that people that are into guns will often focus on the number of guns someone has, also outside this case, which seems a bit of a strange metric to be talking about in general.

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  • orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    One life is that much, though.

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• poprocks@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A SCOTUS that Trump installed.

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• DABDA@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No hardware required, also not some new technique suddenly discovered:
  How to Bump Fire an AR-15/M4
  AK47 bump fire

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• aidan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The reason why it was the deadliest shooting is because the shitstain was using a bump stock

  No, he was looking over a massive crowd of people with a rifle. He may have killed more people without a bump stock, given the difficulty it causes for accuracy. Saying it is a settled fact that it led to the deaths is just not true.

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  • 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean, he didn’t really have much of a problem with accuracy - he fired a total of 1058 rounds, and those rounds or shrapnel from them injured 413 different people. Of course, many people received more than a single gunshot wound. He killed 58 (later 60) in ten minutes of shooting – effectively one person every 10 seconds. I think it would be difficult for a single person to injure or kill more from where he was standing with any weapon short of an RPG.

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    • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      kill more from where he was standing with any weapon short of an RPG.

      I think short of somehow knocking down a build that would make it more difficult because of the very slow reload speed.

      kill more from where he was standing with any weapon short of an RPG.

      And a semi-auto rifle can fire much faster than that without a bumpstock

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  • CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He didn’t exactly need accuracy when there was a sea of targets in front of him, especially if his objective was to hit as many of them as possible before they could disperse.

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    • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But he continued to hit people while they were dispersing

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