Thank you, this is my viewpoint exactly. We are exploited by both but one is after money, the other is a threat.
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doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Anyone who even compares a for profit corportation to the world’s largest hostile militaristic dictatorship is an idiot. Both bad, but on completely different scales.
PurplebeanZ@lemmy.world 4 months ago
andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 4 months ago
How can China threatens you? If you live outside of China?
VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s like saying that Putin couldn’t hurt anyone outside of Russia yet he’s had multiple people killed in foreign countries.
AA5B@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Most of us are boring. We’re not oligarchs or investigative reporters, nor hold key posts in government or industry. It’s not that he couldn’t but it’s almost impossible to see a scenario where either would have an interest in me. I neither control anything they want nor block their way to it
andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 4 months ago
How could TikTok helps China threatens America (or the world)?
markon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Usually they can’t, but they can blackmail. Usually only if you’re really really deep in anti Pooh territory though. Pooh is vindictive and thin skinned like our spray tan guy. Spray tan could for example, work with Pooh to surveil and jail dissenters. It’s not that China is a threat to an individual American or other foreigner in a Western country per se, but as long as they could potentially leverage your data against you they do have a little threat. For the record Pooh and spray tan should be sent to an island together to… Oh shit nvm usually rich people and islands aren’t a good thing. 😂
andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If you’re someone influential enough to be blackmailed by the Chinese government and you’re using TikTok… You’re really stupid… but average TikTok user, really has nothing to be afraid of China, I think. TikTok is also after money, as far as I know (ads). They are a company. Like Huawei, they might have a close relationship with the Chinese government, similar with Google with the US government.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Is this… Sarcasm?
andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Nope. But how can an average TikTok user in USA be threatened by China? Concretely/ literally?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The things the CCP could do with political blackmail gathered from tiktok would make even Zuck blush.
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
At the very least, Google and Facebook have to step back if caught. Meanwhile, Chinese companies often don’t care about EU privacy laws. Still avoid them altogether, any way.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Do they? They’ve been caught BIG TIME, and META stock price is at an ATH!
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Meta was sued in India, Brazil, the UK, and the USA for the way they sold data in the 2010s, being fined Billions of dollars total. In July 2019 they were fined 5 Billion in a 3 to 2 vote by the FTC and they’re in the process of a 20 year settlement plan.
Meta also has a proposed trial date for December against the FTC and 46 states after their supposedly unlawful and aggressive mergers to acquire WhatsApp and Instagram, called Federal Trade Commission v. Meta Platforms, Inc. (formerly Federal Trade Commission v. Facebook, Inc.). The Mergers are why their evaluation keeps rising.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 months ago
As much as China is a festering cancer upon the world, I am willing to bet that for every single trademark horror that is taking place in their society, I could find a match or worse in the USA.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 months ago
or worse in the USA.
An estimated 30 to 45 million Chinese citizens died during Mao’s “Great Leap Forward.”
anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 months ago
My penis is longer than yours.
What are we doing, just stating random facts?
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 4 months ago
I bet from reading message history they have tons of SSNs and bank details.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m honestly more worried about them knowing details on politicians and their families. The most they can do with some rando’s personal info is send them targeted propaganda. Knowing a handful of republican congressmen has lgbq relatives can be used to make them to shift policies.
theFibonacciEffect@feddit.de 4 months ago
To be honest I think you can compare them, I feel the word idiot is misplaced here.
paboppa@jlai.lu 4 months ago
I doythink those are as different as you say. Through the Patriot Act, american corporate spying is US spying.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Okay but one wants to efficiently sell me worthless trash and the other would happily kill me and take my property given an opportunity, so…
explodicle@local106.com 4 months ago
But the one selling you trash is also sharing that data with the ones who would kill you.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 4 months ago
That’s fair but I feel like it’s not in Google’s best interests to collect your photos library, clipboard, message history, contacts info, SSN, banking details, etc and then sell all of it to China for cheap. The extent of Data Collection, and the very obvious malicious intent of it, embedded in TikTok sets it worlds apart.
menemen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The US has actively used that kind of info to extrajudically kill people, we know that for sure. We don’t know of China actually did that (they probably did).
squash_squash@lemmy.world 4 months ago
lol This is simply not true
anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Now look you here- one party is a convicted serial rapist, the other party is elitist.
They’re both criminals.
So it doesn’t matter.
Which is why you should vote for convicted serial rapist party.
calavera@lemm.ee 4 months ago
This post is about China, but why are you talking about the US?
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
You can’t read let alone understand. Dunno what to explain to you when all you have is accusations of failure when they clearly show your own such.
Mamertine@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They’re both spyware.
AA5B@lemmy.world 4 months ago
While they’re at completely different scales, plus will got to much different lengths to abuse what they find out, It comqes down to personal peril. I know exactly how Google will use that surveillance data to my detriment and that they’ll openly sell it to more nefarious entities, however I fail to see how the Chinese government would ever have an interest in my data or in selling it.
I don’t use Tik Tok or Huawei, but that’s for other reasons
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 4 months ago
You fail to see why they would collect the massive amounts of data that they’ve been repeatedly proven to collect? Sounds like willful ignorance, to me.
AA5B@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Not at all. I understand storage and scaling are cheap, so it’s a great strategy to collect every piece of data about every person. Then you use whatever you need, whenever you need to.
For example, it’s expensive to investigate a Congressman’s past to find that picture in drag for blackmail. It’s much cheaper to collect everything you can so once he becomes a Congressman you can simply search for connections and seconds later have that picture off his college buddy’s computer
squash_squash@lemmy.world 4 months ago
US looks very militaristic to me. It has a very broken democracy, and a history of supporting/causing brutal dictatorship.
seejur@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The control the Chinese gov has over tilt ok is on a different scale compared to Google and the US
anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Just to play devil’s advocate here, how many military bases has China got in other countries, compared to the US?
wieson@feddit.de 4 months ago
How many McDonald’s are there compared to general tso’s chicken?
Both comparisons are irrelevant. It is about how much control and access China/US have over tiktok/Google and the user data and algorithms.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 4 months ago
The USA hasn’t taken territory since 1946.
The major reason for the USA being so broken is due to deregulation and corporate greed. Which is a little different in nuance to Authoritarian China.
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
The US doesn’t try. It just bombs the fuck out of anyone worth exploiting production of anything any private exploitator willing to play “business” there wants.
NegativeInf@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The ol’ “Bomb it to glass” tactic. A classic tragedy.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“Um, technically when we lost all those wars for profit and oil, we didn’t seize any land. So, technically, we are the good guys.”
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Compared to the dictatorship who are in the process of seizing land and committing genocides on their (according to them) own peoples, yes the USA are fucking saints. See this is my exact problem, two bad things are not equivalent but so many people fail to grasp that.