Comment on Tesla charging stations become ‘car graveyards’ as batteries die in subzero temperatures, abandoned cars left in the lot after cars wouldn’t charge

fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• lovesickoyster@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  from what I understand from the article the problem is that people are queuing and because of long waiting times batteries die.

  I honestly don’t understand why people are buying EVs if they don’t have the option of home charging.

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  • fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ooh, ok. That makes quite a lot of sense. Especially if one uses the miles/km number to show battery state, people are gonna get screwed by the cold. I changed that thing to percentages pretty soon after I got the car.

    I honestly don’t understand why people are buying EVs if they don’t have the option of home charging.

    Yeah, that doesn’t make much sense.

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    • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      From what I’ve seen/heard, people think they’re trying to beat the system by using which ever free network was included when they bought the car. Thus, never charging at home for the 2 free years.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Sigh that sounds awful. Like the biggest perk of evs is no more gas stations

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  • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Elektrek did summer articles about this. The superchargers are overwhelmed because the grid cannot provide enough power. In the well known tropical paradise of Norway, no such problems occur.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah I live in an area with winter weather. I still want an ev (and a subcompact one at that) but I live in an apartment without home charging so not yet. The wife and I have been discussing a plug in hybrid though basically as a “we need an internal combustion engine now and want an EV later, but don’t want it to be a car commitment away”

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  • SuperIce@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why are people buying gas cars if they don’t have at home fueling?

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    • lovesickoyster@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      gas cars generaly, from what I’ve been told, don’t use said gas to keep the car in operational condition. But maybe yours is different.

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      • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        While the post above yours is a bit of a hot take, the better answer is because it only takes 5 or 10 minutes to refuel your car. Which is why it would be a lot more difficult to use an EV if you couldn’t charge it at home.

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  • tmjaea@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are long waiting times really a thing? Here in Germany even the charging areas next to the autobahn have a maximum of 1-2 waiting cars if at all

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    • MartianSands@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The story I heard was that charging is taking far longer than usual because of cold batteries, and people are having to change much more frequently for the same reason, and between the two the demand for chargers has shot up

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• TheRealKuni@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  after remembering how Americans cannot science and 0F =~ -18C

  Just because Americans grew up with and are largely stuck with the Fahrenheit system doesn’t mean they can’t science. Come on. It’s an inferior system of measurement, sure, but no one even in America uses Fahrenheit for science anyway.

  (Don’t get me wrong, I wish we’d all switch to Celsius over here. I did. It’s so much better. But it took a WHILE to reach the point where it felt natural, and during that time involved a lot more math than the average human is willing to do. Converting systems of measurement that are ingrained in your culture is HARD.)

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  • Zedd00@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fahrenheit is a shit system for science. It is a great system for humans. It’s basically the percent of heat humans can maintain. 0% or below is too fucking cold. 100% or above is too fucking hot. 72% hot is about room temperature. Fahrenheit degrees are about the smallest change humans can detect.

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    • TheRealKuni@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fahrenheit is a shit system for science. It is a great system for humans. It’s basically the percent of heat humans can maintain. 0% or below is too fucking cold. 100% or above is too fucking hot. 72% hot is about room temperature. Fahrenheit degrees are about the smallest change humans can detect.

      I understand this argument. I used to make it myself! It is a good argument. I learned Celsius to test it.

      The argument isn’t wrong, since really the best unit to use is the one that is understood. But my friend, having previously argued the merits of Fahrenheit for the weather, I have thoroughly changed my mind.

      Degrees Celsius being larger means they have more significance. If you want the kind of resolution that Fahrenheit gives, you can always use half degrees. But I find I don’t actually need that granularity. Instead, a difference of a degree in Celsius matters enough to be worth paying attention to, or at least moreso than a degree Fahrenheit.

      More importantly, though, switching to Celsius has finally given me a better understanding of sub-freezing temperatures.

      23°F doesn’t really mean much to me, it just means “cold.” But -5°C means “as far below freezing as 5°C (41°F) is above freezing.” This makes it FAR easier to comprehend how many layers and what variety of layers I should wear. With Fahrenheit it was always a bit of guesswork for me.

      I would HIGHLY recommend trying to learn Celsius just for the hell of it. I really enjoyed the process. The math is pretty easy, and even easier if you use this heuristic I came up with:

      Start by memorizing the 10s in Celsius. If you forget you can find them again, 18°F for every 10°C. I started in the early summer, so the two I most needed were 20°C = 68°F and 30°C = 86°F. Easy to remember because the digits are reversed. Also learn 10°C = 50°F, etc. When finding the Fahrenheit value, which you’ll need to do for a while until you start to get the hang of the Celsius, start at the nearest 10 and add or remove 2°F per 1°C. So 16°C, start at 68°F and drop 8, leaving you at 60°F.

      For more accuracy (and faster calculation) add in the 5s. So in the above example, you’d start at 15°C = 59°F, and add 2. Getting you to 61°F.

      16°C is actually 60.8°F, so either of these is sufficiently accurate, but starting from 15 is MORE accurate.

      It took me a while to really internalize it, but it was an interesting challenge and I feel like I truly benefitted from it. I recommend it to anyone who thinks they’re up for it and has the kind of brain that will embrace stuff like this.

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• wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The obsession with dick measuring over which ruler you use will always be funny

  Do you really have nothing of genuine merit to be proud of? All you have is your thermostat?

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• NightAuthor@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • bjorney@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s a rest of the world unit. Fahrenheit is only used by America, the Cayman islands and Liberia

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  • fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ok, sorry for leaving them out. Americans and Brits cannot science.

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