What if I told you they didn’t mean shit over there either?
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donut4ever@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Also, those upvotes and downvotes don’t mean shit here
FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 11 months ago
donut4ever@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They certainly did to a lot of people to the point they were afraid to state their opinions so they don’t get downvoted
DrMango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I get what you’re saying - that we don’t have a “karma” score associated with our username - but the votes do drive what people see first when they view a particular community or the “front page” so they do matter.
donut4ever@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To an extent, but people won’t be put on timeout if they went into negative.
egeres@lemmy.world 11 months ago
At least for now, maybe in the future lemmy starts to integrate instance-based plugins (or god know what) that makes more use of up/down votes
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
And downvotes especially don’t mean anything since they aren’t even enabled on blahaj.zone :)
donut4ever@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s amazing. Fuck those virtual internet points
DrQuint@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They never did, but here there no persistent score gamifying it.
donut4ever@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Good, we don’t need them here so people aren’t afraid to state their opinions.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Come on, they didn’t mean shit over at The Bad Place either… Sure, there’s extreme examples of accounts racking up crazy amounts of karma, and being able to sell them, but… If you’re not using bots, that still means 99.9% of people didn’t profit in any way from upvotes…
MegadethRulz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is one thing I’ve been trying to figure out, I keep hearing this a lot. What exactly is different with the upvotes and downvotes? Do they not bury comments and posts or something? Serious question just trying to be informed
Whirlybird@aussie.zone 11 months ago
At least in the app I’m using there is no cumulative score for your upvotes/downvotes, so people don’t care about it.
Also comments don’t seem to get hidden due to downvotes thankfully. That was always a stupid system.
Tbh I wish that the comment voting system didn’t exist, or that to downvote you had to write a legit reason why, and everyone could vote the votes and reasons. Too many people just use it as a disagree button.
Cyyy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
i hate this so much about reddit. a lot of users abuse this system so much to hide your comments so nobody sees them anymore… they just vanish because the usually user don’t clicks unhide.
even if you are nice in the comment and are in the right… if someone dislikes your comment they can pull out their twink accounts and downvote it. and if a comment is at around -3 to -4 or similiar, most users just click downvote without actually reading it… because “others have downvoted that comment so it has to be right. downvote click”
its just so toxic on reddit…
zeppo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yep, reddit works with upvote and downvote bandwagons. Often (though not always) the first votes on a comment or post determine how the whole thing will go, especially with the sec-reinforcing sorting. I noticed what you said about downvotes too, that if someone has an slightly hard to interpret, ambiguous or sarcastic post, once a few people downvoted it, other people will assume it’s a “bad” post and be more likely to down it themselves. Also you can post the same comment on similar threads in the same sub 2 days apart and the results might be wildly different depending on timing, placement, or just who saw it first.
TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 11 months ago
See, I don’t see a problem with using it as a disagree button, especially since the count is useless on Lemmy. My client (Jerboa) does give a cumulative score, but again, in the absence of The Algorithm™️ it’s just notational. Sometimes a shit take is just a shit take, and it’s not worth fighting with trolls. Downvote and move on.
I will say I 100% agree that I like that the up/down ratio doesn’t auto-hide a comment. It was too easy to manipulate the system on Reddit, and sometimes a (genuinely) unpopular opinion was insightful.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 11 months ago
There was a time when Reddit showed not just the sum of upvotes and downvotes, but the counts of both. The best comments were always the ones with hundreds of both up and down.
Then they hid that, and you needed to use RES to resurrect the downvotes. Then they removed the separate downvote count entirely, replacing it with the controversial tag. Problem is that the flag didn’t differentiate between 5/3 (+2) and 5000/4998 (+2).
That was the end of Reddiquette, and the beginning of Reddit’s decline into mediocrity.
Z4rK@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Do we know their reasoning behind replacing it with the tag?
zeppo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It would be nice to not have drive by downvotes, though I don’t always have the energy to explain or reply to someone. About the shit reasons though… how is that determined? Do we have to uh, vote on the reasons too?
DrQuint@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I wish the system existed but was 100% hidden except for the OP.
It’s cool tp know that a topic got a hundred thousand upvotes and was the highlight of the day. But there’s literally no reason to know if someone is currently being brigaded or boosted, it just preempts and primes what judgement they receive.
Drunemeton@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I like up vote only.
everythingsucks@lemmy.world 11 months ago
From my new user experience it seems like active comments get placed higher regardless of upvoted. i.e. comments that are still being commented on or new ones.
scottywh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s sort options for comment order.
MegadethRulz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I like that system actually. Sometimes an unpopular opinion on Reddit would get downvoted and buried but it sparked an interesting discussion where the rest of the thread would be quality content. I like seeing some heavily downvoted comments sometimes and hiding that isn’t necessary. I feel like the user should have control over what way they get their feed and how upvotes and downvotes effect that.