It brings me no joy to say this, but TNG isn’t “modern Trek” anymore.
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stsquad@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’ve just started a Voyager run through with my kids. Dare I say S1 of Voyager is a much better introduction to “modern” Trek than the fairly uneven S1 TNG? I think Janeway is underrated as a Star Fleet captain.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sanity_in_Moderation@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why not? It’s only 10 years old or so?
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 8 months ago
🫂
orb360@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It aired from 87 to 94… So it’s 30-40 years old…
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Burn the witch
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The first two seasons of TNG are balls.
Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 8 months ago
They’re not quite as terrible as their reputation. Yeah, they’ve definitely got some of the worst episodes of Trek ever, but there are good ones in there, too.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oddly, the worst two episodes of Trek are in s7, just before the finale, which is one of the best episodes ever.
Nacktmull@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I agree but still good Trek compared to Discovery and Picard.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
S1 TNG is infamously jank.
psud@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I reckon Voyager was the best of the star treks
logicbomb@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So you’ve never seen DS9, then.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Or ToS, or TNG.
mrcleanup@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh man. It’s the only one where they actually don’t boldly go anywhere. I’ve always had trouble with that and probably actually need therapy because of it. It took me a long time to even accept it as real star trek.
logicbomb@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I love character-driven narratives, so DS9 is easily the best Star Trek for me that I’ve seen. I think the only series that I haven’t seen is Lower Decks.
I would claim that Voyager is objectively worse than DS9, though. A big part of it is how many terrible episodes come from each series. With DS9, there are only a few episodes sprinkled here and there that are terrible. With Voyager, it had to be at least 1 out of every 3 episodes that were terrible.
Of course, these two series have completely different standards. Both standards are about whether they deliver an episode that is fulfilling and makes sense.
DS9 is completely serial. A good show has character development and progresses the main plot due to some event or other intrigue that happens. If you don’t like Star Treks where they “boldly stay home”, then all of the Vic Fontaine episodes would be terrible, but Vic was like this perfect tool to try to round out all of the character development at the series end.
On the other hand, a good Voyager episode is a sort of alien of the week. That’s what would make sense, because they were traveling in a straight line home. Yet they nonsensically had all sorts of recurring characters that they came across. Recurring races is fine. In fact, you’d almost expect to have like one or two major races that are the villains per season… but recurring characters? Really??
Voyager could have been the perfection of Roddenberry’s ideal Star Trek. Almost purely episodic. Heroic cast solving problems every episode. They even have the best excuse for taking the ship into the most stupidly dangerous situations. They were desperate for supplies to get home. I don’t know that any Star Trek had such an easy set up. How did they have so many bad episodes??
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
She is! Always wondered why she got so much hate in the community. Not as much as Archer did though. Which is also great IMHO.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Janeway didn’t get hate as much as it was criticism of the writers for making her inconsistent. One week it was “Prime directive no matter the consequences”, the next was “Lets do whatever to make drama.”
For all of Roddenberry’s faults, his presence for the early years of TNG kept TNG consistent instead of allowing the writer of the week to change characters for their personal story. By the time he was gone, the formula was set such that writers wouldn’t mess with characters.
Voyager has no singular authority so consistency of character was rare.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Several times.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve actually come to think of Janeway as someone consistently written to be an inconsistent Captain, rather than 100% inconsistently written. Others are nowhere near as inconsistent as Janeway.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
You might be right, the inconsistency was well around. But it still was a good show. I always perceived her as a more “indecisive” captain. Or one being able to change her opinions. Whatever. It’s what it is. The best female captain we had so far 😊