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KISSmyOS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I work with Americans and this hits home hard. It’s especially infuriating when they format their dates. “I had a meeting with so-and-so on 4/5” and nobody has any fucking clue what they mean.

    The worst part is how hopelessly oblivious they are about it. It’s not even like they don’t care that nobody does things their stupid way - it’s the fact that they’re so insulated that they can’t even fathom that nobody does things the same way they do. It just goes to show how clueless they are about the rest of the world and how little they get out of their neighborhoods.

    It drives me mad. At this point, it’s just offensive how ignorant they can be sometimes. If you have to work with other people, you should at least make an effort to be aware of the fact that others do things a different way and try to avoid situations like this, but they just refuse to do so.

    Apologies… /rant

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    • tamiya_tt02@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m American and always use 30 Dec 2023 as my date scheme. It makes much more sense. I also work in a multicultural laboratory, so there should be no question as to what date it is, but some of my colleagues still use mm-dd-yy.

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      • fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        some of my colleagues still use mm-dd-yy. That makes it even worse. When the date uses slashes I expect it to be American, but with dashes anything other than yyyy-mm-dd doesn’t even read as a date to me

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      • namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thanks, I appreciate it! I also try to use the name of the month instead of the number as frequently as possible. To be honest, it’s not really the order of the fields that matters - format it whichever way makes you happy! Just make sure it’s not ambiguous so other people can tell what you mean. And be aware that not everyone interprets things the same way you do

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    • RBWells@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Like the American below, I generally use 30-December 2023 partly because I work with an international company but mostly because after the century rolled over and we had years that looked like months I got confused.

      Had a boss that formatted all dates as YYYY-MM-DD because that makes them sort correctly in lists.

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      • Rootiest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Had a boss that formatted all dates as YYYY-MM-DD because that makes them sort correctly in lists.

        That’s how you know it’s the correct date format

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      • namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I work in an international company too! And yet, this confusion persists :-/

        I also format everything YYYY-MM-DD for my personal use too. When writing prose, usually some other format is just fine, but I really would love if everyone did year-month-day

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      • utopianfiat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I insist on YYYY-MM-DD because it allows me to use “MM-DD” for short and piss off the euros

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    • PM_ME_WRISTS_GIRL@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Besides the dates, I also still don’t know if 12am is noon or midnight. Do Americans know? Is there a problem with simply counting to 24?

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      • Rehwyn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        12:00AM is midnight because AM is morning, and 12:00:01 AM is in the morning.

        Using 12-hour time is just an artifact from all our analog clocks having 12 hours on their face and not wanting to have to add 12 to the number on the clock for half the day.

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      • ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        12AM is midnight. As for the other part I have this mind blowing concept for you, our culture is not the same as yours. We have our own ways of doing things, just like you.

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      • Rootiest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        PM is evening, AM is morning

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      • namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Agreed. I’ve never understood the logic of splitting the hours of the day in half. 1800 is so much nicer than 6PM.

        I don’t think that’s purely an American thing though. If I had to guess, I’d say that most of the world uses 12-hour clocks instead of 24-hours. I could be wrong though. Nevertheless, I usually write all times in 24-hour format. But it always sounds awkward trying to use it in speech. I haven’t figured out a good way to do that yet.

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    • JDubbleu@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Everyone should be using ISO8601 anyway. yyyy-mm-dd is superior to both and leaves 0 ambiguity to the reader no matter where they’re from.

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    • mmagod@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      heck even inside these borders… the concept of timezones blows their minds at work lol…

      them: “yeah let’s set a meeting at 9am!”

      me: eastern? pacific? central? help me… heeeelllp meee

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    • platypus_plumba@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, we’ll have the meeting on 3/2/2023

      And I’m like… FUCK. I’ll have to ask again.

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      • Sanyanov@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And get answered like: “2nd of March, DUH”

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    • AWittyUsername@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I hate when software is hard coded either those stupid fucking dates. I generally uninstall

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      • Tankton@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh god of when you can choose between 4/5/23 or 5/4/23 and your like… ‘_’

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    • books@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I do everything like this 2023-12-24

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  • doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Isn’t basing a temperature scale on the freezing and boiling points of water a bit arbitrary in and of itself?

    The reason they are arbitrary numbers in Fahrenheit is because they weren’t considerations when the scale was made.

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    • Deme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Water is everywhere.

      Cooking, weather, etc. You are also water.

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      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Except that water boils at different temperatures when exposed to different amounts of pressure.

        So this works pretty universally on earth… Near the ground/ocean level (plus or minus a few hundred meters). Once you get outside of that specific condition the numbers move.

        So yes, fairly arbitrary.

        Let’s all switch to Kelvin.

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    • BluesF@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It is, but if you look at how Farenheit was conceived it’s absurdly nonsensical. 0°F is the freezing temperature or some mixture of chemicals, and 90°F is a guess at human body temperature lmao.

      And the freezing/boiling points of water are arbitrary except in that they are used to actually define both scales. They provide easily measurable standards.

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      • MaoZedongers@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think it’s the freezing point of brine

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      • deegeese@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No, 0° was the lowest temperature recorded in the city Fahrenheit lived, and 100° was considered normal body temperature, with the quality of thermometer available at the time.

        It’s quite arbitrary, but ends up mapping pretty nicely to comfortable ranges for humans.

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    • force@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well TECHNICALLY it’s not based on the state change of water.

      It’s based on the formula C = K - 273.15 where K = 1.380649×10−23/(6.62607015×10−34)(9192631770) * hΔν[Cs]/k

      So even MORE abstract and unrelatable

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      • ferralcat@monyet.cc ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This makes no sense. K is not a constant. Is there a variable in there?

        Temperature is a measure of entropy. It depends on the disorder in a system somehow.

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    • blueson@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If ypu want to be radical, use Kelvin. At least it scaled identical to C so it’s easy to comprehend.

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Every scale and unit is, ultimately, arbitrary. We all do have a very good understanding of what freezing and boiling water is, though, we don’t have a good intuition of “coldest day in some random place in some random year” is.

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  • Venicon@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would like to dump on America for this but as Scotland is in the UK we have some unholy abomination of in between when it comes to our measurements.

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• droog_the_droog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Found the Finn, everyone

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  • KISSmyOS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Perkele!

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• Resol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve never been to a sauna before, but are you guys okay with boiling yourselves and then immediately freezing yourselves? Doesn’t that seem very painful? Are you guys used to being Wim Hof all the time?

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  • Deme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The thing to remember is that air is a great insulator. Air at 100°C isn’t nearly as bad as say water or metal at the same temperature against the skin. In fact, the air that comes in contact with the comparatively cold human skin will cool down rapidly, lessening the sensation of heat further.

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      SCIENCE

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      • MaoZedongers@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        YEAH BITCH

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  • sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    100°C is a quite hot one. It could hurt your nose and ears a bit, especially if they having a steaming session.

    The cold water (normally ~10°C) does not hurt at all. The first minute your brain is not able to differentiate the temperature at all. After that it gets quite quickly into: ohh I should leave!

    Btw: you should try sauna at some point. Especially with the steaming it’s amazing. There are also milder ones with ~80°C, I would recommend at the start.

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    • Deme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      100°C is nice. And what’s a steaming session? Throwing water onto the rocks for steam every now and then is just standard operating procedure.

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hmm, I think I’d rather try that at some point.

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  • DrMango@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes. It’s wonderful. It feels great physically and mentally. Wim Hoff is a bit crazy tho tbh

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Good for you.

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wim Hof, the guy who ahredded his intestines by giving himself an enema from a public water fountain while waiting to meet his estranged son?

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wait, he actually did that???

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You don’t actually start boiling at 100C lol

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah I might be kinda dumb sometimes

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• Asudox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I object. Kelvin is the superior one.

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  • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hmm, I sure love adding 273.15 to literally every single temperature I encounter

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    • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh sure, so what are you, a Newton scale guy? “What is it outside? 6? Lovely. High of 12? Fuck that noise I’m staying inside at a nice comfortable 5.”

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Adding 273.15 is much easier than fucking with F.

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• Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Found the Scandinavian

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• NaoPb@eviltoast.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve never heard Celsius be explained more perfect than this. Thank you.

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