Comment on Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 10 months ago
Dealers will cry about their inventory while refusing to budge on various “market adjustments”.
Boo hoo. Be competitive and watch the inventory flow.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Goferking0@ttrpg.network 10 months ago
Saw one dealer do that to a Honda civic r then brag they got someone to actually pay it
Zorque@kbin.social 10 months ago
Are you sure it wasn't a Thundercougarfalconbird?
Briguy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
One word: thundercougerfalconbird
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Shit dealers (and especially the sales people) tend to not at all be trained on how to sell these cars, and can be openly hostile towards people interested in them. EVs don’t make them as much money on service.
Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They can be trained all day every day, but if they know their profits are lower they’ll do anything they can to avoid having to work with EVs.
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Yup something I keep getting into arguments about at work. Sales makes a mistake on their order. And I somehow as the tech end up sorting it. And that sales person keeps their entire sales commission. I’ve been telling mgmt forever take away the commission if there are reasonable timeframe issues or incorrect selections made by the sales agent. That will make them make sure they perfect it to get their pay.
AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social 10 months ago
Took us forever and is still contested now and again, but we managed to force the sales process yo include product managers or owners. Without an estimate from them, which is created in coordination with the engineers and developers, no offer is being made anymore. Certain sales people are butthurt, because the estimated costs are often too high for our "price sensitive clients" as in: they don't know how to sell our products on added value rather than on lower cost.
Nougat@kbin.social 10 months ago
New car sales people do not give a single fuck about whether the car comes back for service. They get paid for selling cars, full stop. It's possible that management is making ICE car sales commissions higher than EV; that would create an incentive to push ICE.
eltrain123@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Commissions on EV sales for legacy automakers are dismal. None of the legacy automakers are making EVs at scale so they are losing 10s of thousands of dollars per EV they sell. Sales personnel aren’t moving them because they have no incentive to do so. Then these companies complain about how there is no demand while the EV sector is growing exponentially.
Tesla got to scale while legacy automakers were all laughing at them and now they have to compete by gaslighting the marketplace about how there is no demand.
I’ve been in an EV since 2020 and am never going back. When people start to wake up to how convenient and comfortable EVs are and stop buying into all of the negative media, it’s only going to snowball from there.
themadcodger@kbin.social 10 months ago
Are you able to take it for road trips, or do you primarily use it locally?
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
They’ll also haul to mention that it’s the fastest growing new car segment. They may not me moving as many as they want, but they’re definitely moving.
SharkAttak@kbin.social 10 months ago
Yeah, smthg smthg capitalism, smthg smthg free market, amirite?
Maeve@kbin.social 10 months ago
Don’t forget “too big to fail.”
hh93@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I don’t know how it is in the us but here in Germany many (single-brand-)dealers are also licensed mechanics (for that brand) - and since EVs are taking much less repairing than traditional cars they are basically shooting themselves in the foot by selling them
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 10 months ago
I’ve been eyeing an Ioniq 5 for about 18 months now and just checked local pricing again and they haven’t budged an inch on pricing (even now with 2024 models being sold with 2023 models left on the lot) nor are they even carrying inventory outside of the most expensive trim packages of Limited AWD. I’m interested in range, so I’m wanting a Limited RWD but they aren’t being stocked.
This article screams “I’m not doing my job and it’s all your fault!”
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
There’s a 2008 style crash coming in the credit market for cars. There’s a lot of subprime loans and a lot of car companies that got into financing that shouldn’t have. Wait til they really get squeezed. Who am I kidding tho, they will just ask for a bail out.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Some of us are still miffed about the 2008 bailouts, which ran entirely counter to the market forces rhetoric. Then the police turned off all the cameras and ran OWS off with riot squads.
No resolution was offered. even Dodd-Frank was reversed by Trump.
So you can expect a lot of civil unrest. It’s been due since the great depression, about a century ago.
SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Wrong. They will let it crash a bit and everyone will panic and see that shit is about to get real. The government will offer to defer the pain by bailing out the very rich and get things moving again. People are fucking idiots so they’ll do nothing because they don’t like being uncomfortable for a short time even if it means they are getting buttraped over the medium to long term
Wrench@lemmy.world 10 months ago
When beater 20 year old trucks can’t even be found for <$10k, you know somethings gotta give
SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 10 months ago
And the best part is you who foresaw it and tried to warn everyone, will have to pay personally towards the bailout
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
The dealer near me has added an extra 5 grand for market adjustment too.
Ender2k@kbin.social 10 months ago
Yeah, dealers around here have a huge markup over MSRP, “because there’s so much demand.”
Okay, I can wait.
Yaztromo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Meanwhile, up here in Canada I put a down payment on an IONIQ 5 Ultimate Edition (Canadian equivalent of the US ‘Limited’ model) back in early April 2022, and it still hasn’t been ordered, because Hyundai decided to flood the US market while stiffing the Canadian market.
Hyundai (and other EV makers) are fucking around, and then blaming the market.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 10 months ago
Yep sounds similar to what’s happening here. Since the car was first released you could spec one out with Limited RWD on Hyundai’s site but none existed in the entire country up until the last few months when they began trickling out. The website tells you that you can’t actually order or build the car you want and instead must visit a dealer and choose something among their inventory. I’m sorry but I’m not going to compromise on a major purchase like this for a brand new vehicle. Dealerships can eat a dick.
Yaztromo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
While I still think that Hyundai engineering and design did some real magic with the IONIQ 5, I just can’t help but feel like the rest of the company is just screwing the pooch on this car. They’ve flooded the US market with models people there don’t seem to want to buy, and dealership lots often have a dozen or more waiting to be sold.
Meanwhile, here in Canada buying one is damn near impossible. That doesn’t seem to stop them from sending out mass marketing materials and ads trying to sell them (or the IONIQ 6), mind you — I just wish they had focussed first on ensuring their biggest boosters globally were getting the cars they want, as opposed to putting lots of cars nobody seems to want on US dealership lots.
(FWIW, my dealership told me they weren’t being allowed by Hyundai to order any 2023 IONIQ 5s. This seems to be a fairly common occurrence across all dealerships here in Canada, with just a few cars trickling in each month).
JustZ@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Jfc. I have a feeling this is going to become a much more common tale with high tech or precision manufactured goods, goods just being diverted from western markets to Group of Friends and Axis of Evil countries. Hopefully America doesn’t go full isolationist and we continue to seek global trade such as the trans pac trade agreement and similar trade agreements, keep the dollar nice and strong.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
Issue is the dealership deals made with the auto manufacturers. Inventory on hand is often times (not including some of that bs that had dealerships marking stuff way over msrp) only set up to make the dealership a few thousand in profits.
For any major price reductions that are really needed, the auto manufacturers would have to be giving the vehicles to the dealerships for less money.
In other words, ford will have to drop prices for dealerships to drop prices.
JustZ@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This is bananas to me. The new model is out but last year’s model isn’t discounted? No wonder nobody likes dar dealers.