baggins@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Apparently GM thinks killing a pedestrian every 10 million miles is acceptable?
What’s acceptable?
Every 50 million? 100 million?
It will never be perfect, and there will never be no deaths at all, so if there is no acceptable limit you may as well ban self driving car research right now.
The rate of pedestrians killed in 2021 was approximately 1 in every 25,000,000 miles driven manually (8000 deaths and 203 billion miles travelled collectively. Should that be the minimum target?
The acceptable number is zero.
Then we best ban all vehicles
Might as well ban people outright
Ok. If you really think that is the only way to improve the situation, I’m on board.
It really could be zero for pedestrians if we spent the money to ensure no human and vehicle would ever share the same space. It is less about how many humans/miles driven and more about how many humans/cost to avoid sadly.
It really could be zero for pedestrians if we spent the money to ensure no human and vehicle would ever share the same space. It is less about how many humans/miles driven and more about how many humans/cost to avoid sadly.
It really could be zero for pedestrians if we spent the money to ensure no human and vehicle would ever share the same space. It is less about how many humans/miles driven and more about how many humans/cost to avoid sadly.
We aren’t talking about your IQ here.
So, no human driven cars, buses, trains, planes or anything else, then?
And literally no people leaving the house at all.
Have been unfortunate incidents of pedestrians accidentally striking other pedestrians which then result in heart attacks or suchlike, which then results in death.
It would be interesting to see what the actual stats are for pedestrian deaths vs miles driven for non autonomous cars. I’m willing to bet autonomous cars will ultimately be safer, but it will take time to get to that point.
That page doesn’t exclude commercial road vehicles or interstates, so the apples to apples comparison may be much closer to the autonomous rate. A 700 mile/day truck cruising I-40 through the desert is going to skew the data as safer while I bet a casual city driver will be an order of magnitude more dangerous.
GM was just getting it out of the way, that’s all. Nothing to see here. They operate better under pressure, see. Right? Sure they do.
But they recalling the vehicles so clearly not.
Unless you’re suggesting that the software update is too make the cars more efficient at killing pedestrians?
Read what they said. That they’re doing the recall even though it’s only 1 per 10m. Implying they think that is an acceptable rate for serious injuries.
Ford thought 180 dead per year was acceptable when it shipped the Pinto. GM looks like a saint by comparison, fuck.
I think they mean they’re not legally required to recall them. I guess the government have a limit on what they think is acceptable and that’s below the limit probably because it’s less than what human drivers achieve so it’s an improvement in safety.
No they don’t which is why they suspended all vehicles pending a software update.
Also, how does this compare to human drivers?
The best thing about this is that now the problem has been identified the software can be fixed and this particular problem won’t happen again. If a human makes this mistake you can’t push an update to fix all human drivers.
What’s that rate for human drivers?
Around 1 per 100 million miles.
In all weather conditions. Autonomous vehicles only drive in optimal conditions, humans have to suffer whatever nature throws at us.
The irony here is that the accident occurred because a human driver hit this pedestrian first. So it ain’t like us humans have a clean conscience here…
It’s a trolley problem of sorts. Currently it seems that we have higher standards for AI than humans. I bet that even if AI was twice as good driver, we’d still hate to hear about it causing accidents. I’m not sure why that is. I’m wondering if it has something to do with the fact, that there’s really not anyone to blame and that doesn’t fit with our morals.
According to these numbers 1 in 73 million. Which is much better than I thought.
Which includes trucks hauling through unpopulated areas
What’s the acceptable vehicular homicide rate? GM seems to think it’s more than zero.
That’s equally ridiculous to say. Self driving cars just need to be better than people to be worth it, they just currently are not better than people.
It’s ridiculous to think that cars shouldn’t be killing people? Well smack my ass and call me an extremist.
It is more than zero. Anything that beats humans is a win. Getting to zero is unrealistic. Nothing has a zero risk of death.
Correct, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Zero is the ideal number, so anything that gets us closer to that is good.
Not just GM, if you tried ro question the safety of these cars on even Lemmy before these revelations came out your ve brigaded by people claiming they were safer than humans and thats all they needed to be in order to be acceptable.
This incident started with a human driving their car into a pedestrian. It’s not exactly a smoking gun
How did you arrive at that conclusion?
In a statement on Wednesday, the GM unit said that it did the recall even though it determined that a similar crash with a risk of serious injury could happen again every 10m to 100m miles without the update.
Emphasis goes on “even though”.
As in “At GM we’re so benevolent that we’re doing a software update even though we think this will only kill someone every 10m miles (which we consider an acceptable murder rate for our cars)”.
How frequently this type of incident occurs is outside the control of GM.
In the crash, another vehicle with a person behind the wheel struck a pedestrian, sending the person into the path of a Cruise autonomous vehicle. The Cruise initially stopped but still hit the person.
You missed the part where this was specifically about their car dragging the person for 20ft after the crash and pinning them under the wheel?
No one was killed in the accident they are stating the rate of.
Yeah, but a car running over a woman, dragging her twenty feet and parking on top of her, could easily have killed her.
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 7 months ago
GM saved like $2 on an ignition switch and killed 13 people. They knew about the issue for years. So yeah, GM doesn’t care if a few people have to die in order to turn a profit
nytimes.com/…/13-deaths-untold-heartache-from-gm-…