Comment on Honda says making cheap electric vehicles is too hard, ends deal with GM

• KpntAutismus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  can’t really agree with the “reliable” part but yea, they are affordable.

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  • Thatuserguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    2013 Hyundai Elantra here. Despite full synthetic oil changes every 5k miles and new filters every year, my engine has now failed for a second time in 100k miles. The mechanic is telling me it needs a new engine, which is going to basically exceed the value of the car.

    But at least it was cheap!

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    • ThePrivacyPolicy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Former 2012 Forte owner here - first engine made it to 90k, second one was knocking already about 2k in. Basically walked from a freshly paid off vehicle and bought a Toyota.

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• dakku@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And easy to steal

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  • Vash63@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I thought only the American models were easy to steal because they left out some critical antitheft features on the lowest cost models? Didn’t think it impacted other countries.

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    • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Pretty sure their refering to the fact that certain Kia(?) models could be jacked using a screwdriver and USB. Basically the engines power button was shit. This is also why I dont fucking trust cars that use startup buttons, atleast if someone hotwires the car they had to work for it.

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      • RandomGen1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It only affected key start cars, if it was push button start, it was immune to the attack you describe.

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  • sndrtj@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not in Europe. That fiasco only happened in the US.

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  • reversedposterior@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because the US doesn’t make engine immobilisers mandatory like the rest of the world does

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• Artyom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hyundai and knowingly left an easy exploit to hotwire their cars in for several years. The redesigned a few cars to try to rebrand after fixing it, but they cut corners there too, and now they’re in the middle of recalling the Tuscan for exploding batteries.

  Sorry, Hyundai isn’t a role model here.

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  • Darkhoof@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    He is referring to the EV cars as in the topic.

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    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      He’s also shifted from NA to Europe. So…

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• 0x0@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Prius anyone? Still a better approach than a full electric.

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  • FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Debatable in today’s world. At least in Europe and north America

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  • First@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    PHEV’s are getting reclassified/re-regulated by the EU, because:

    • The stated average emissions are based on actually plugging in to charge, which most owners don’t bother with, considering electric propulsion only accounts for like 1/15 of the cars total range
    • It has been regulated in a way that gave the manufacturer only small emissions penalty for increasing the motor size & weight of the car - because it was still considered to be electrically powered.
    • The design itself leads to a heavier car (having 2 propulsion systems)

    Meanwhile, the full EV market has been more self-regulating in the sense that they have kept the weight/energy requirements down in order be competitive on range.

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  • GalacticCmdr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would not say a better approach, but it is a workable one. We have one already and will be getting a second one in the next few months. Our next new car will be an all electric, but that is a few years down the road.

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  • Darkhoof@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No it’s not.

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• BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  But a Hyundai isn’t going to easily go 200k miles with easy to source parts (have Hyundai cars in my family).

  Tradeoffs, it’s always tradeoffs.

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  • GalacticCmdr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They are only disposable to those that don’t take average care of their cars. My parents Sonata is at 235k and it will soon become my kid’s car. Runs fine with no issues because my parents take care and of their cars.

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    • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean my mom had a Hyundai that got it’s regular maintenance, still dided when it had costly transmission issues

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