They’re cool - but they’re awful people. Tends to lend itself to conservative thinking in it’s the people who can’t handle my “truth” who are weak and therefor wrong. Basically selfish asshole mentality
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superduperenigma@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Patrick Bateman
Tyler Durden
The Joker
The triumvirate of movie characters that edgy incels worship without actually understanding what they’re about or the fact that none of them were ever meant to be idolized.
SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Patrick Bateman isn’t even cool, though, only on the absolute surface. It’s a first person account of not just a sociopath, but a sociopath who’s EXTREMELY insecure and otherwise neurotic. Dude has absolutely no chill.
If he wasn’t a murderer who works out, they would have called him a soy boy cuck 😂
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
You’re forgetting Tommy Shelby
Delphia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I once posted on facebook.
“Contrary to the memes of Tommy Shelby some of you post, you are not running an empire and dealing with betrayal, you have a shit job and your mates are fuckwits.”
Sylvartas@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And Tony Montana
ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Authors: “I have taken all of the worst personality traits and put them into the most egotistical and narcissistic sociopath villain ever! Readers will surely hate their guts!”
Teenage boys: “Damn, this guy is so cool!”
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Somewhat similar:
Heinlein in 1959: writes extremely militaristic and some would say fascistic book with tons of xenophobia and racism projected onto an alien race
Paul Verhoeven in 1997: “Jesus fuck! That’s a BIT much for today’s audience!” directs over the top parody of fascism and militarism, including deliberately annoying and explicit propaganda infomercials
Most people in 1997: “Huh! I never knew Paul Verhoeven was a literal nazi!”
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
HP Lovecraft: I will ensure no white women marry black or Italian men by writing the Cthulu mythos as a warning against interracial marriage
2020s: Cthuwu lmao put it in another video game
crackajack@reddthat.com 11 months ago
These characters represent the repressed feelings of many who feel under pressure by authority so they are exalted in the eyes of particular people, such as teenagers and young adults. Bateman, Joker and Tyler Durden have the common denominator of going against the norms so many feel related and entranced.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
broke: idolize people whose bad experiences drive them to hurt innocents
woke: idolize union workers who have shootouts with exploitative mining companies
explodicle@local106.com 11 months ago
The Joker: “Hey guys look at me I’m anarchy! Anarchy is chaos! The villain! And the good guy is a billionaire.”
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Conversely though there’s a very strong argument to make that media creators are not the end-all-be-all on how their content should be interpreted. Not saying that any of the characters in the above comment should be idolized, but “this character is the bad/good guy because the author says so!” isn’t a great way to analyze media, either.
Heidur@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I get you point in a broader context, but this is just terrible both siding when we’re talking abot Tyler Durden and Patrick Bateman
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, there’s manyfaceted characters open to interpretation and then there’s characters written explicitly to scare people by being fundamentally against the norms and principles of humanity.
Then again, being unironically fascist is back in style just as the last people old enough to remember WW2 first hand are dying, so clearly all bets are off as far as norms and principles of humanity goes 🤷
mykneedoesnthurt@kbin.social 11 months ago
Bro the guy is the main character, he has to be cool yo
Shapillon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s called the Death of the Author of anyone wants to read a bit into it.