I’m sure if we just ignore rich and powerful people, they’ll go away.
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TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Then stop already. Stop mentioning the name. Stop posting articles about it. Stop sharing articles about it on other social media.
You know what’s immoral? Posting ragebait articles about a platform because you know users will engage.
seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They won’t. But complaining about them on Lemmy and Bloomberg is empowering them.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I get your point that major media outlets constantly talking about them is empowering them, but pretending that Lemmy talking about it has any effect whatsoever is vastly overestimating how consequential this place is.
I know a lot of people here are just sick to hear of the matter but lets not pretend that not talking about it is a moral stance.
Psychodelic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Lol. What?
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LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
Twitter has millions of users. Not talking about its issues clearly won’t solve the problem.
ubermeisters@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ironically by you commenting on this, and further by me commenting on your comment, we have added to the metrics and it has now been deemed that it’s more popular because more people are talking about it. That’s the actuality.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The moral case for just shutting the hell up about X finally for fucks sake.
seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I’ll shut up about it when it quits being relevant.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Is it relevant? Maybe I’m just being a grumpy old man but literally the only time I ever think about it is when it’s posted about on here.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It is a sight to behold. There is a certain class of people that don’t know who they are without Twitter because they measure their worth in followers and whatever influence that brings them. They are definitely going through all the stages of grief. For those of us that don’t have our egos entangled with the site, the writing was on the wall pretty early on. Twitter, or X, is dead and not worth our time. I’m sure those of us on Lemmy are especially capable of sniffing out the moment a social network turns sour.
scarabic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Back before Apollo was killed I had the words “Elon” and “Trump” filtered out. I just never saw these rage posts in the first place. Man, I’d love to see that feature in a Lemmy client. Anyone know if it exists?
TedJ70@aussie.zone 8 months ago
I’m new to Lemmy but I believe Boost for Lemmy allows you to filter on keywords.
scarabic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Thanks I’ll check it out
Blizzard@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Tell that to OP. Oh, wait…
Marruk@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Posting ragebait articles about a platform because you know users will engage.
Lol irony.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I dunno’, kinda’ sounds similar to, “racism would be over if tou’d just shut up about it.”
X and Elon don’t magically disappear because you choose to ignore them.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
And it would be similar to that if racism was a business that survived based on engagement.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean… Isn’t it? Racism is very self-perpetuating. Especially when it’s allowed over other forms of distasteful speech.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I don’t think so. Racism being self perpetuating means it will exist even if we stop talking about it and will probably just be worse because even well meaning folk can be racist if they’re not aware of it.
X on the other hand stops existing if we stop sending it traffic and just let it die.
VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 8 months ago
If you think it isn’t, you clearly haven’t been paying attention to all of racism in general and hypercapitalist neofascism in particular.
marswarrior@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If everyone shuts up about racism, then racism will be worse. If everyone stopped talking about twitter, then twitter will die. It’s not the same thing at all. Not even close.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You are mixing “talking about Twitter” with “being on Twitter”. If nobody on Lemmy or Mastodon said a single word about Twitter ever again… it would still outnumber them by hundreds of millions users. I don’t like it, but that’s still how it is. But consequently, ragging on it is not going to recruit people who left for the Fediverse.
But if you mean making everyone on Twitter to shut up in general, well, easier said than done.
cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
My lesson from this is most people, even the ones who say they’re good, will continue using a system that’s clearly wrong if it because them.
Practically speaking nobody moved to Lemmy, and nobody moved to Mastodon. Nobody left Facebook after Cambridge Analytica.
I’m literally the only person I know IRL who actually boycotts or cares about these things.
marswarrior@lemmy.world 8 months ago
alianne@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The difference is that racists are usually racist due to a moral stance, not because it makes them money; ignoring them means we’ll hear about it less but it won’t actually go away. Clickbait/ragebait, on the other hand, isn’t a moral viewpoint - it’s meant to bring a person money via exposure/engagement, so less engagement leads to less money which leads to less bait because it’s no longer working.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I dunno’, you’d find plenty of economic justification if you go back and read why the confederacy got started. Or why Germany went a little crazy in early 1900’s…
While it is correct to logically dismiss the actual arguments of rage bait, it is purely foolish to pretend that it has no tangible effects worth counteracting all the same.
To say these things aren’t even worth talking about in general is akin stepping aside for bad actors to take over.
fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It’s not “x” it’s called Twitter.
This is a good case for deadnaming.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Corporate deadnaming is the only good deadnaming.
Facebook also only deserves to be called Meta as a reminder that they rebranded into a failed trend and lost billions because of it.
RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I dunno. Racism isn’t entirely manifested by one man. He’s just one more bucket of piss in a sea of piss. Fuck him. We can at any time choose to ignore him. Choose to ignore his shit app. He doesn’t matter to any equation, he’s just an annoying rich person struggling with their addiction to child pornography. Wups did I say the silent part out loud. Shit.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What you say is completely correct for engaging with his platform.
Not about not talking about the rise of bigoted morons in general. That is sticking your head in the sand.
lloram239@feddit.de 8 months ago
Well, that’s way more true than it is false. The way the left hyped up race as the single most important and defining feature of people wasn’t exactly helpful. The idea of racial realism should be deconstructed, not actively supported. I have literally never seen as much racism in my life as what the left has been doing in the last 10-15 years.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What the gell are you talking about? Acknowledging that black people and other minorities have had a hard time in the past that leads to present continued struggle IS NOT racism… It’s acknowledging reality.
What IS racist is saying the behavior is innate to the race, not that the race has consequently received the short end of the economic stick.
lloram239@feddit.de 8 months ago
That’s exactly what racism is. You ignore what actually happening to the individual and treat them all the same because of their skin color. White savior complex in action.
scarabic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
While some of the same words appear in these two things, they are nothing alike.
The debate over whether recognizing racism can help us eliminate it has nothing to do with an unhinged billionaire who uses shock tactics to generate PR, and the bottom-feeding publications who live on stoking our disgust with him.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
No, it’s very much similar. You’re saying don’t even talk about it, when the article is about how it is a corrupted service. A service that at least used to have global reach. If a service is a globally used resource, it’s kinda’ institutionalized.
Since when did ignoring institutionalized injustice ever fix it? Never. It never gets fixed in the dark.
scarabic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s a corrupted service, therefore it’s a service, therefore it’s an institution, therefore it’s institutionalized injustice….
Feeling a little loose after all that stretching? I guess the policies of every website company in the world now constitute institutionalized injustice. I’ll use that phrase next time I’m appealing the Facebook modbot.
I wouldn’t say we should never talk about Twitter and it’s impact on our world. I will say it is a media circus which is Halle about far, far too often to its corrupt owners benefit.