I don’t need google telling me what I can put on this fucking phone I bought and paid for.
I think it is a reasonable compromise. They could have made it a day wait for any and every time you wanted to side load like this. It prevents accidental or malicious activation, while also giving you the feature you want with the smallest of roadblocks as confirmation you want it.
grte@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
And they’re not. Load all the unsigned stuff you want after you wait one day. Again, I don’t see how this is a huge burden to ask.
markz@suppo.fi 7 hours ago
It sure is a completely unnecessary burden designed as a deterrant.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
It will likely have that effect on some, yes. It will also prevent it from being enabled without knowing the full scope of your ask. But that’s kind of the point— it’s a big deal, and the user should be informed. Not everyone is capable of understanding these decisions immediately and accurately assessing risk.
At some point, there is always, always a compromise between user experience and security, and not everyone is going to like it. But in this instance, I think the benefits of having this process and cool-down period to make the risks known far outweigh the need for immediate gratification by the minority of users that will enable and use this feature.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 9 hours ago
What is it a compromise between? People who think they own the thing they paid for and people who don’t?
markz@suppo.fi 8 hours ago
Obviously we need to find a middle ground between owning the things we purchase, and not owning them. Having access, but making it annoying is a very reasonable option.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Why? We are paying full price for these devices and nothing in any agreement made at the time of purchase suggests that you don’t own them. Why is it necessary to meet a middle ground between “you got what you paid for” and “you didn’t”?
chunes@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
that was a very obvious joke
markz@suppo.fi 8 hours ago
Because everything must get worse.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
I realize you are making a joke, and I agree that purchase is always better than subscription. Everyone in this situation owns their device.
But that doesn’t mean an easy to activate security bypass should be made available to everyone with no guardrails, either, should it?
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 9 hours ago
A reasonable compromise would be not telling people what they can and can’t do on devices they paid for. If Google wants that level of control, they can buy my phone for me.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
While I understand your sentiment, with all due respect, they are giving you the control with this process. You’re only mad you have to wait one day one time before you can do it.
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 6 hours ago
I don’t have to do shit, because I Graphene for the same reason I use Linux. I’m not interested in asking a corporation for permission to do what I want.
meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
No. Fuck all of that. I will not have some fucking Corp tell me what I can install and when on my own goddamn hardware.
If they want to implement something like this, make it an opt-in toggle during device setup to put the phone into nanny mode
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
People this willing to let a corporate, self-enriching nanny state erode their ability to use the products they paid for terrify me.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
In the sales world, this effect is called “price anchoring” and is used by tons of companies. All those sales you see where something is “marked down 50%!” are using a manufacturers price that does exist in real life to get that 50% markdown. In reality, the sale price is just the actual price of the item but people see the “huge discount” and think they’re getting a deal.
ag10n@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Long live lineagos
grue@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Things like LineageOS are a workaround, not a solution.
The solution has to be legal, not technical. Companies have to be stopped from trying to fuck with users’ property rights in the first place!
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 8 hours ago
Yup. I’ve heard this first about Home Assistant, but software like this often inadvertently acts like a pacifier for tech enthusiasts. We may have our neat solution for the moment and be content with that, but that doesn’t help anyone else, or us in the long term. Things will get worse with no push-back.
Disclaimer: That’s not to say that we shouldn’t advocate for those tools in the meantime as well. We just shouldn’t lose track of the actual problem.
Willoughby@piefed.world 8 hours ago
Not as long as people keep paying for it.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Hyperbole much?
This is a basic balance between the needs of the few, and the security of the many. The benefits of a one day speed bump are far more beneficial for the billions of Android users in the world, and offer no meaningful negatives to those that wish to enable this feature beyond that delay.
I realize that many people here are in or adjacent to IT work, and so are more passionate about these sorts of topics and are well versed in the risks, but in my opinion, allowing a simple, immediate way to bypass all security checks and install whatever you want immediately is a pretty big security hole, even if it is self-created. It makes sense to put those roadblocks up to protect the 99.9% that will never use this feature, as well as those that may activate it not understanding the risk. You may be comfortable with it, and that’s great, but that doesn’t mean every Android should. This is why prompts asking about coercion and not your IT prowess.
Finally. your example is poor. Google is not breaking into your phone and hurting you in way. If anything, it’s like a real estate agent that’s not giving you the keys until the bank opens so your check can clear. It’s a process issue, nothing more.
Your ability to use your device, as you see fit, installing anything you want, is entirely possible with a single one-day delay. As I said, I don’t think it is an unreasonable ask, nor the enormous inconvenience you make it out to be.