I am not sure about “will be” but I certainly hope Palestinians get a chance to live a happy and worry-free live again - with the Israeli population understanding the horrors committed in their name, war criminals brought to justice and a peaceful nation of Israel in the future. One can dream.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
FROM THE RIVER
TO THE SEA
PALESTINE WILL BE FREE
FROM THE SEA
TO THE RIVER
PALESTINE WILL LIVE FOREVER
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Israeli population doesn’t give a shite about the atrocities they are committing, some do, but they are such a minority.
it will collapse the moment the US stops funding it. And if the dems want to win ever again they must. given that recently the polls show that more Americans support Palestine instead of Israel.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Propaganda is unfortunately very effective, and the majority of the Israeli population, similar to the ‘murica population, similar to the population of Putinland, and many others in the world, has taken the bait of hate hook, line and sinker. That doesn’t mean the average Israeli was born more or less evil than you or me. Which means every new generation has a chance of being better than their parents’ generation.
mrdown@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Being propagandized do not gives you a pass
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Israeli population is without a doubt evil, they keep voting for genocide and apartheid. Not doing a genocide is a fringe idea there. you can blame generations of propaganda, but you can’t use that to absolve them for the horrors they created.
Damorte@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Yes literally a genocide slogan no matter which side uses it.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net 15 hours ago
Only if you internalize the racist premise that freedom in a region can only be achieved by expelling all other ethnic groups. The slogan is a rorschach test; it reveals the ideology of the interpreter. If you interpret “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” as genocidal it demonstrates that you don’t believe Palestinians and Israelis can coexist as equals.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 9 hours ago
I really like how you’ve phrased this here — I think I’m going to end up borrowing aspects of your explanation to use myself. The person you’re replying to in this thread seems too entrenched in their opinion to hear the point you’re making here, but I not too infrequently find myself trying to explain the nuance of this phrase to people who are pro-palestinian liberation, but unsure about this particular slogan because they (quite reasonably) don’t want to inadvertently respond to a genocide with pro-genocide.
I’ve usually had good success in explaining why “from the river to the sea” isn’t inherently a pro-genocide slogan, but I feel like your explanation will help me to do this more effectively in future.
Damorte@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
You can make up whatever kind of bullshit defense for genocidal slogans as you want and deflect this to be an issue of the interpreter. The reality of course is that the slogan means literally what the people using it has said several times that they want to do - drive the enemies out to of the levant and in to the sea i.e genocide.
Palestinians and Israeli estates demonstratably can not co exist, they have tried for well over a hundred years now and they just keep murdering each other.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
The Zionist state cannot coexist with anyone. it is the genocidal state. calling against “From the river to the sea” is the call for genocide.
but from your point of view, raising a genocide is as bad as conducting one. so your opinion is invalid.
hector@lemmy.today 10 hours ago
Gtfo.
mrdown@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
You just a racist
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Sounds like they haven’t tried.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
"being free"in reference of an illegal occupation.
THAT’S A CALL FOR GENOCIDE!!!
did freeing concentration camps after WW2 count as a genocide?
Damorte@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
BEIng fReE from… omg stfu we all know exactly what it means. Its a call for the cleansing of the lands of the eternal enemy, whether its said by israelies or by palestinians. Its absolutely insane that there are people who defend genocidal slogans.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
lol, you have never talked to any Palestinians?
When apartheid ended in south Africa, did it end with all the white people being executed?
they want the right of return. they want equal rights. and definitely, some genociders belong in jail.
MonkRome@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Instead of getting angry you could research what that slogan means to different groups. For nearly every group that slogan currently means freedom for everyone from the river to the sea. Most accounts of early use meaning freedom for Palestine not just from Israel, but from Jordan and Egypt as well. The one group that used it in a mostly genocidal undertone was the PLO in the 1960’s who believed it meant returning the whole region to Palestinian rule, and ‘removing’ all people that immigrated in the last hundred years. As with most things it requires nuance. It can mean something bad, but these days most people use it to mean freedom. Intentionally taking it to mean something other than how people mean to use it seems disingenuous.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I mean, there’s really only one way to reasonably achieve that and it’s the one that Israel chose to do first.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Israel can just expand the right of return and apartheid will be over. the whole war and conflict would be over and it’ll being a reconstruction period where those responsible, should face justice for their crimes.
we are getting violent resistance movements, because those who are lawful were banned, and those who were peaceful got executed.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Unlikely. Every civilization collapses eventually.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
civilization collapses, people remain.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Every living thing goes extinct, eventually.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
so you’re a contrarian who’s just being a cunt and considers a genocide to be a good place to showcase your idiocy
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
lol, it’s a protest slogan not a political treatise, are you going to nitpick it?
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Blocked.
ZMoney@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
The point of the chant is that by resisting the genocide we are all Palestinian. We participate because we believe in the self-determination and human rights of all peoples. By resisting Israeli and US aggression and oppression, we are all Palestinian.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
So bullshit. And more bullshit.
Well, shit.
You know in Canada they had so many Caribou on the ice and snow … it’s melting and these black layers of solid Caribou shit are appearing.
They’re also finding 9,000 year old weapons designed to kill those Caribou.
Cool stuff. Anthropology.
I guarantee you. Palestinians will end with less evidence for their existence.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I wish it was so, for solidarity, I want to say I’m Palestinian. but I can’t shake the reality that I’m Israeli, and even though I left in 2010, I still technically am, and all my family served in the IDF.
Can’t wait for apartheid to collapse.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
Free Palestine
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
it’s getting closer, Israel is so close to collapsing. every day Iran fires on Israel is a day where its economy is completely halted. It’s stretched incredibly thin with all their war fronts. they are becoming extremely unpopular, US population is now more in favor of Palestine than Israel. as soon as the USA stops supporting Israel (and the USA doesn’t become a Trump dictatorship… fuck it already is) Israel will become a pariah state with little support.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I don’t think you have any idea how much reach Israel has in the US. How much of the US is actually controlled by Israeli interest groups. And how many Zionists live in america. Israel is nowhere near collapse. And US support is nowhere near gone.
I hate it and I wish I could personally gut every one of the tyrannical bastards involved. But I and many others that feel similarly are ultimately without power to change this. Protesting only works when those in power have a conscience. We need a violent uprising to effect any change in the US and that won’t happen. Not through lack of desire but through the inability to gather in appropriate numbers.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
no doubt AIPAC and ADL have a hold of US politics. however, it’s a very fragile hold. people are waking up and primarying out candidates that take AIPAC cash.
and taking AIPAC money for campaign funds is useless if it makes you unelectable.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
no income inequality? trust in government? 20% of Israelis are arabs and are legally second class citizens, high poverty rates, and definitely a mistrust in the government. and that is only considering those Israel considers as people, as Palestinians under occupation have no rights at all. so bullshit, there is massive inequality and mistrust of the government.
my understanding of the damages Iran is causing comes from family I have in Israel, even though the total destruction is minimal, the actual effect for Israel is a total economic pause in practically all productivity. Given that during bombings, they have to spend the time hiding in shelters (which only Jewish communities get, arab Israeli communities only get mocked if hit).
Lol, they closed the port in Eilat, it literally went bankrupt.
Latest polls call on your bullshit, there is more support for Palestine than Israel in the US.
my question is, why is a Russian propagandist doing Hasbara work?