Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"

• FishFace@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So let me get this straight, you were arguing with someone, tried to lead them to a contradiction, but they actually had a consistent view on it that you didn’t like, and your conclusion is that they have cognitive dissonance?

  My friend, I do not think that means what you think it means.

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Most people agree that raping dogs is bad. Maybe they genuinely believe that raping dogs is okay, or maybe they’re just saying that to deal with their cognitive dissonance. I would prefer that it’s cognitive dissonance, but if they’re a dog rape apologist, then they’re a piece of shit anyways.

    I hope it’s cognitive dissonance and not authentic approval of dog rape.

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But just to be clear, the evolution of your conversation did not show any evidence of an inconsistency in their beliefs that would amount to cognitive dissonance? Because otherwise you would have brought that up, I assume.

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• Senal@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Real question, what if there is no cognitive dissonance.

  Like someone who knows exactly what’s going on and says “fuck it, it’s delicious” ?

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’d ask them to sit down and watch a documentary about the animal agriculture industry (such as Earthlings) to be sure they really do know the truth.

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    • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨33⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      watch a documentary

      I love how vegans are literally always someone who fell for fake propaganda and never someone with real knowledge or experience of the agricultural industry. I watched several of my vegan friends do a 180 in vet school once they started internships and saw first hand how the animal industry operates, and realized their ex-conviction was based on sensationalized lies.

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    • Senal@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      and then , once they acknowledge that ?

      The reason i ask is that I’ve never heard an opinion from someone with the viewpoint it seems you hold talk about what they’d think in that situation.

      and my follow up would be to ask why meat and not electronics (explained below) or textiles or megacorps ?

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      In general i struggle with why people place these ethical and moral rubicons in the places they do (i do mostly understand why the lines exist)

      I mentioned in another comment about the horrific shit that goes in to basically all electronics (there are numerous documentaries and articles on the horrors of cobalt mining for instance) and it seems odd that people are ok with that but not the meat industry, or perhaps fine with both of those but draw the line at baby animals.

      Again, i understand why the lines exist, it’s the seemingly arbitrary nature of where they are placed for different circumstances that eludes me.

      I’m asking so i can gather opinions enough that hopefully i can understand, eventually

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      • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Honestly, if someone is truly aware of the horrors of the animal agriculture industry and is totally fine with it, I would be very, very surprised. I have never experienced anyone who genuinely thinks it’s okay. Most people take the position of, “yeah, it’s really terrible and I don’t like it, but…” which I have to live with because that’s most people, but even most of the people who agree it is terrible don’t really know the full truth and often they don’t want to let themselves find out, because they know in their heart if they truly understood how horrific the industry is, they would feel terrible every time they ate.

        If someone genuinely thought it was OK, I would assume that they’re a sociopath. Not even in a bad way, necessarily, I have friends who are sociopaths, but I think that’s basically the only way you can lack the empathy.

        For the follow-up question, there are a few reasons, I’ll outline a few of them, happy to discuss further, if you have questions then let me know.

        1. An ethical electronics industry is possible, whereas an ethical animal agriculture industry is impossible.
        2. It’s easy to live a full modern life avoiding animal products. It is impossible to live a full modern life avoiding electronics.
        3. The horrors of the electronics industry take place in third-world nations where we have very little influence over their laws. The horrors of the animal agriculture industry take place in our back yards where we can influence the law.

        I’m not saying that vegans shouldn’t advocate for ethical manufacture and disposal of electronics, I believe wholeheartedly that we should. But it’s impossible to have an entire industry for making baby animals, fattening them up, and slaughtering them so that we can make money from people who wish to consume their corpses. It is fucked up on the face of it. Melting metal, pouring it into moulds to make circuitry, etc. doesn’t hurt anyone directly, it’s capitalism and the drive for maximal profits which cause issues in electronics. I’m a huge proponent for the abolition of capitalism for this reason too.

        Hope this helps <3

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  • toomanypancakes@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Some people are just sociopathic and don’t have any empathy for others.

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    • Senal@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      See my answer below for context on why i asked

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• theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “I lead someone who disagrees with me into saying something stupid once, therefore everyone who disagrees with me must have cognitive dissonance.”

  Lol

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