Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

• seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting.

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  • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Seriously, imagine typing “there is often only ‘anti genocide and pro genocide’ in online discussions” and thinking “yes, I will post this and look like a very good and moral person”. Yes, if you’re not against genocide you’re for genocide. Yes, if you think supporting the resistance to genocide is antisemitic, you are a genocidal zionist. This type of “nuanced” “anti-zionism” (liberal zionism) is also widespread on feddit.org.

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    • hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      By fucking german law at that. And they enforce it too. Never again, as defined by nihlists with no soul serving the plutocracy while the far right takes their country from them and fixes elections while they are busy surrendering their people to tech.

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      • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        One of them was extremely offended in another thread when I replied to them with “I was just following orders”. hahaha

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• brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Saying Hamas is antisemitic is sure fire sign of being a Zionist.

  Palestinians are a semitic people.

  If you want to saw that Hamas hates Jews, well, when your entire life has been being bombed by planes with stars of David on them, while jackbooted thugs with stars of David on their shoulder kick in your door to kidnap your family members in the night, and settlers with star of David necklaces show up and claim your home and land by divine right, I can start to see where you develop feelings toward the people who carry the same sign.

  Maybe, just maybe, if Israel wanted the world to be a safer place for Jews they would stop associating a genocide with Judaisim as they are so fucking desperate to do.

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  • 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe, just maybe, if Israel wanted the world to be a safer place for Jews they would stop associating a genocide with Judaisim

    You probably already know this, but Israel wants the world to be a more dangerous place for Jews to justify Israel’s illegitimate existence and aggression. That’s why they conducted terrorist attacks against Ethiopian Jews, to convince them that they needed to move to Israel as it’s the only safe place for them… where they’re then met by deep-rooted racism.

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    • brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      100%

      Israel wants to be a Jewish ethnostate, but only the Jews they deem to be the “Good” ones

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  • nat1@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Antisemitic clearly means anti-Jewish. Sure it technically means all Semitic people, and as such a better word could have been used but it’s intended and in use meaning is very clear. Jewish people have been some of the biggest victims of Middle Eastern and European hate for thousands of years.

    You’re doing the #AllLivesMatter of religious hate.

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Islamophobia is much more prevalent in the west than antijudaism. There is islamophobia on a systemic level. And lets not pretend that it’s directed only at muslims but arabs in general. Crying “antisemitism!!” about an indigenous armed resistance movement is the #alllivesmatter of this conflict.

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• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The German left, at least the loud one, is public ally dividing between this topic. On demonstration you see a lot of people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a “Zionist” on Lemmy, as there is often only “anti genocide and pro genocide” in online discussions. But the world is very complex and there is a large continuum between Islamic and Jewish ethno state philosophy.

  This is all nonsense and you are indeed a zionist. Thank you for making it clear to everyone.

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• IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It does not make you a Zionist on Lemmy. You are a Zionist.

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  • gigachad@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Opposing Hamas makes you a Zionist”, can you confirm that statement?

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    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You said supporting Hamas is antisemitic. Why are you crawling back to the word Zionism now?

      Also yes, anyone who does not support resistance against genocide, supports genocide. This is a given.

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      • gigachad@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Me

        […] people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a “Zionist” on Lemmy […]

        You

        It does not make you a Zionist on Lemmy. You are a Zionist in real life.

        Again you

        You said supporting Hamas is antisemitic. Why are you crawling back to the word Zionism now?

        Me
        ???

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    • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, opposing the main resistance to zionism makes you a zionist. Glad we all understand each other.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You believe it is evil to resist Isreals imperialism. That’s Zionism

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• Count042@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Spoken like someone that condemned the ANC as terrorists in the 80’s.

  “Sure, apartheid is wrong, bit the people suffering it and fighting it are the worst” <— you.

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• Twongo@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  ask an anti german what they think of muslims in the middle east :) it’ll be the most misanthropic thing you heard all day. anti germans are disgusting zionists and need to be shunned from leftist places. they are pro-genocide and there is no nuance to it. they are not part of the left, just delusional cosplayers

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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What’s wrong with the term “leftist organization?” Educate, agitate, organize is the common saying, organizing is the fundamental task of leftists.

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• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Is genocide bad? Who can say, it’s just so complex!”

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• JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Don’t be discouraged. Personally I don’t have the energy any more to endure the abuse of the mob (these “leftist” ignoramuses whose obsession with “Zionism” leads them to support literal fascism) but it’s important that somebody makes the points you’re making.

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• Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You should have been bullied more in school.

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• TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My favorite part is pointing out that most israelis are not white westerners, but from other middle eastern countries who were fleeing persecution in those countries and are more arab than western in terms of ethnicity and history.

  But that doesn’t fit the nice narrative that all Israelis are white colonlizer/invaders from europe or something. Literally never had it acknowledged once, just denied and told that it is zionist propaganda.

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  • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No. The majority of Israeli are Ashkenazi Jews from Europe. They are European settler-colonists on occupied land.

    • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis#Jews
    • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
    • nbcnews.com/…/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically…
    • en.wikipedia.org/…/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism

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  • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “My favorite part is lying”

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