I mean “leftist organization” is a weird term and I would more speak of currents. And there is definitely the Anrideutsche or Anti-Germans.
The German left, at least the loud one, is public ally dividing between this topic. On demonstration you see a lot of people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a “Zionist” on Lemmy, as there is often only “anti genocide and pro genocide” in online discussion. But the world is very complex and there is a large continuum between Islamic and Jewish ethno state philosophy.
Seriously, imagine typing “there is often only ‘anti genocide and pro genocide’ in online discussions” and thinking “yes, I will post this and look like a very good and moral person”. Yes, if you’re not against genocide you’re for genocide. Yes, if you think supporting the resistance to genocide is antisemitic, you are a genocidal zionist. This type of “nuanced” “anti-zionism” (liberal zionism) is also widespread on feddit.org.
By fucking german law at that. And they enforce it too. Never again, as defined by nihlists with no soul serving the plutocracy while the far right takes their country from them and fixes elections while they are busy surrendering their people to tech.
Saying Hamas is antisemitic is sure fire sign of being a Zionist.
Palestinians are a semitic people.
If you want to saw that Hamas hates Jews, well, when your entire life has been being bombed by planes with stars of David on them, while jackbooted thugs with stars of David on their shoulder kick in your door to kidnap your family members in the night, and settlers with star of David necklaces show up and claim your home and land by divine right, I can start to see where you develop feelings toward the people who carry the same sign.
Maybe, just maybe, if Israel wanted the world to be a safer place for Jews they would stop associating a genocide with Judaisim as they are so fucking desperate to do.
Maybe, just maybe, if Israel wanted the world to be a safer place for Jews they would stop associating a genocide with Judaisim
You probably already know this, but Israel wants the world to be a more dangerous place for Jews to justify Israel’s illegitimate existence and aggression. That’s why they conducted terrorist attacks against Ethiopian Jews, to convince them that they needed to move to Israel as it’s the only safe place for them… where they’re then met by deep-rooted racism.
Antisemitic clearly means anti-Jewish. Sure it technically means all Semitic people, and as such a better word could have been used but it’s intended and in use meaning is very clear. Jewish people have been some of the biggest victims of Middle Eastern and European hate for thousands of years.
You’re doing the #AllLivesMatter of religious hate.
Islamophobia is much more prevalent in the west than antijudaism. There is islamophobia on a systemic level. And lets not pretend that it’s directed only at muslims but arabs in general. Crying “antisemitism!!” about an indigenous armed resistance movement is the #alllivesmatter of this conflict.
The German left, at least the loud one, is public ally dividing between this topic. On demonstration you see a lot of people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a “Zionist” on Lemmy, as there is often only “anti genocide and pro genocide” in online discussions. But the world is very complex and there is a large continuum between Islamic and Jewish ethno state philosophy.
This is all nonsense and you are indeed a zionist. Thank you for making it clear to everyone.
ask an anti german what they think of muslims in the middle east :) it’ll be the most misanthropic thing you heard all day.
anti germans are disgusting zionists and need to be shunned from leftist places. they are pro-genocide and there is no nuance to it. they are not part of the left, just delusional cosplayers
Don’t be discouraged. Personally I don’t have the energy any more to endure the abuse of the mob (these “leftist” ignoramuses whose obsession with “Zionism” leads them to support literal fascism) but it’s important that somebody makes the points you’re making.
My favorite part is pointing out that most israelis are not white westerners, but from other middle eastern countries who were fleeing persecution in those countries and are more arab than western in terms of ethnicity and history.
But that doesn’t fit the nice narrative that all Israelis are white colonlizer/invaders from europe or something. Literally never had it acknowledged once, just denied and told that it is zionist propaganda.
gigachad@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I mean “leftist organization” is a weird term and I would more speak of currents. And there is definitely the Anrideutsche or Anti-Germans.
The German left, at least the loud one, is public ally dividing between this topic. On demonstration you see a lot of people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a “Zionist” on Lemmy, as there is often only “anti genocide and pro genocide” in online discussion. But the world is very complex and there is a large continuum between Islamic and Jewish ethno state philosophy.
seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Seriously, imagine typing “there is often only ‘anti genocide and pro genocide’ in online discussions” and thinking “yes, I will post this and look like a very good and moral person”. Yes, if you’re not against genocide you’re for genocide. Yes, if you think supporting the resistance to genocide is antisemitic, you are a genocidal zionist. This type of “nuanced” “anti-zionism” (liberal zionism) is also widespread on feddit.org.
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
By fucking german law at that. And they enforce it too. Never again, as defined by nihlists with no soul serving the plutocracy while the far right takes their country from them and fixes elections while they are busy surrendering their people to tech.
brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Saying Hamas is antisemitic is sure fire sign of being a Zionist.
Palestinians are a semitic people.
If you want to saw that Hamas hates Jews, well, when your entire life has been being bombed by planes with stars of David on them, while jackbooted thugs with stars of David on their shoulder kick in your door to kidnap your family members in the night, and settlers with star of David necklaces show up and claim your home and land by divine right, I can start to see where you develop feelings toward the people who carry the same sign.
Maybe, just maybe, if Israel wanted the world to be a safer place for Jews they would stop associating a genocide with Judaisim as they are so fucking desperate to do.
7101334@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You probably already know this, but Israel wants the world to be a more dangerous place for Jews to justify Israel’s illegitimate existence and aggression. That’s why they conducted terrorist attacks against Ethiopian Jews, to convince them that they needed to move to Israel as it’s the only safe place for them… where they’re then met by deep-rooted racism.
brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
100%
Israel wants to be a Jewish ethnostate, but only the Jews they deem to be the “Good” ones
nat1@ttrpg.network 2 weeks ago
Antisemitic clearly means anti-Jewish. Sure it technically means all Semitic people, and as such a better word could have been used but it’s intended and in use meaning is very clear. Jewish people have been some of the biggest victims of Middle Eastern and European hate for thousands of years.
You’re doing the #AllLivesMatter of religious hate.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Islamophobia is much more prevalent in the west than antijudaism. There is islamophobia on a systemic level. And lets not pretend that it’s directed only at muslims but arabs in general. Crying “antisemitism!!” about an indigenous armed resistance movement is the #alllivesmatter of this conflict.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This is all nonsense and you are indeed a zionist. Thank you for making it clear to everyone.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It does not make you a Zionist on Lemmy. You are a Zionist.
gigachad@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
“Opposing Hamas makes you a Zionist”, can you confirm that statement?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You said supporting Hamas is antisemitic. Why are you crawling back to the word Zionism now?
Also yes, anyone who does not support resistance against genocide, supports genocide. This is a given.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Yes, opposing the main resistance to zionism makes you a zionist. Glad we all understand each other.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
You believe it is evil to resist Isreals imperialism. That’s Zionism
Count042@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Spoken like someone that condemned the ANC as terrorists in the 80’s.
“Sure, apartheid is wrong, bit the people suffering it and fighting it are the worst” <— you.
Twongo@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
ask an anti german what they think of muslims in the middle east :) it’ll be the most misanthropic thing you heard all day. anti germans are disgusting zionists and need to be shunned from leftist places. they are pro-genocide and there is no nuance to it. they are not part of the left, just delusional cosplayers
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
What’s wrong with the term “leftist organization?” Educate, agitate, organize is the common saying, organizing is the fundamental task of leftists.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
“Is genocide bad? Who can say, it’s just so complex!”
JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t be discouraged. Personally I don’t have the energy any more to endure the abuse of the mob (these “leftist” ignoramuses whose obsession with “Zionism” leads them to support literal fascism) but it’s important that somebody makes the points you’re making.
Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
You should have been bullied more in school.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My favorite part is pointing out that most israelis are not white westerners, but from other middle eastern countries who were fleeing persecution in those countries and are more arab than western in terms of ethnicity and history.
But that doesn’t fit the nice narrative that all Israelis are white colonlizer/invaders from europe or something. Literally never had it acknowledged once, just denied and told that it is zionist propaganda.
davel@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
No. The majority of Israeli are Ashkenazi Jews from Europe. They are European settler-colonists on occupied land.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
“My favorite part is lying”