LeninWeave
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- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 29 minutes ago:
The internet is awesome. You can discuss genocides with someone who named himself after an dictator who did several genocides! Who has a picture of this dictactor in his profile! And this guy is attacking others for “defense of genocide”! Great invention this internet thingy!
We have found the most historically literate feddit user.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 33 minutes ago:
I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that.
Incorrect, and also hasbara.
What you do not see is that we don’t truly disagree
We do disagree. Your entire view of the so-called “conflict” is based on zionist lies, which is why you can never meaningfully oppose it no matter how much you think you do.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 35 minutes ago:
No, this one is just a self-serving fabrication by right-wing nazi-supporting governments.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 38 minutes ago:
Why do you tankies always lie
Amazing, I never thought I would see the day Deceptichum was called a tankie, lmao.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 39 minutes ago:
I don’t think you have bad intent here, but I think Riverside didn’t like the implication that “deep political discussions” are necessary to understand that “Israel/Palestine” is in fact “the colonial genocide of Palestinians by Israel”. I think that’s fair. It’s OK to not want to discuss politics online, but you don’t need “deep discussions” to know that colonialism is always wrong.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 43 minutes ago:
I thought this was meant as a compliment until I saw “@feddit.org”, lmao.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 50 minutes ago:
I’m completely aware that this originally started with the zionist invasion of palestine in the early 20th century.
From your other comment next to this one…
I was specifically talking about the time before the Holocaust even started, there was no reason for Germans to fear Jewish people, as they were just normal people.
Do you not see how you’re not being consistent?
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 52 minutes ago:
And when was Hamas founded? By comparing those two dates, you can see that it’s actually the same as the Warsaw Ghetto uprising.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 56 minutes ago:
I’ve never said that the people resisting their genocide were wrong to do it. You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying.
No, I’m really not. You’re all over this thread repeating hasbara lies about Hamas and misrepresenting the history of “Israel” in comparison to the history of the Holocaust (you correctly include the Warsaw Ghetto in the Holocaust but appear to think the Nakba isn’t relevant).
You might actually have convinced yourself that this is principled and nuanced anti-zionism, but it’s not. You are being a zionist and I urge you to reconsider your positions on this.
I don’t disagree with you, that’s why I tried to explain the nuance, but apparently I failed, I’m sorry about that.
You didn’t fail to explain what you mean, I understood that. Where you failed is that you are, knowingly or unknowingly, manufacturing nuance that does not exist.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 1 hour ago:
What I mean was in the time before the Holocaust even started.
Just to check, when do you think “Israelis” started committing genocide against Palestinians?
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 1 hour ago:
You are trying to reduce my argument to one dimension that “sounds” reasonable, while ignoring things like it literally being in the charter of Hamas to destroy all Jewish people in Israel.
How surprising, you’re doing Hasbara. The charter was irrelevant soon after it was written, Hamas changed many time very quickly throughout its history, and the charter you’re referring to was in fact literally replaced with a new one in 2017. You are a zionist.
And you’re going to say it is the prerogative of Palestinians to fight back, and again I would completely agree with you.
No, you wouldn’t and you didn’t. The trick of “fighting back is their right but they’re doing it wrong” isn’t fooling anyone.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 1 hour ago:
The ability to recognize the genocide in Gaza as a genocide is very much there
Only while saying the people resisting it are also wrong and doing Holocaust exceptionalism in defense of liberal zionists, lmao.
And now let’s go back to the original zionist accusations. The original comment was removed because of the last part of it, which said “Providing material support to Israel is no different from providing material support to Nazi Germany”. As much as people don’t want to see it, the situation in Gaza is actually different than the situation in Nazi Germany. The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful. In Gaza, there is genocide happening, there is a power differential, and Palestinians need to fight back, but there is simply no rational denying that it’s not the same as the genocide in Nazi Germany.
The original comment was good and correct. Supporting one settler state committing genocide is actually the same as supporting another.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 1 hour ago:
I didn’t dodge theirs, I directly addressed it. Their “criticism” is a form of genocide denial. They are fabricating equivalent atrocities to a real genocide. Similarly, your “neutral observer” trick here is a cheap way to pretend you’re not taking a side in an argument.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 1 hour ago:
If you really see support of genocide and zionism in what I said, I really don’t know what I could say to convince you. It seems you’re not truly listening to me and trying to understand.
Oh no, people are not trying to understand your subtle and nuanced argument of “Palestinian genocide and the Holocaust are different because the Jews never fought back”.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 1 hour ago:
The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful.
“The Jews never fought back” is certainly an incredible take, especially from a German.
In Gaza, there is genocide happening, there is a power differential, and Palestinians need to fight back, but there is simply no rational denying that it’s not the same as the genocide in Nazi Germany.
Do you not understand colonialism?
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 1 hour ago:
The soyjack “I was just following orders” vs the chad
Sorry I don’t make the rules, I merely enforce them.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 hours ago:
Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance. Without that lie all of the agitators “arguments” crumble to the sad leftist-dividing dust that they are.
“They’re not zionist, they just defend Israel’s right to exist.”
They are zionists and so are you. Death to “Israel” and death to the Federal Republic of Germany.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 hours ago:
Can you explain why Germans have learned absolutely nothing from the Holocaust?
America and Western Europe were more interested in fighting the cold war, so they rehabilitated most of the nazis and put them in charge of everything.
In 1957, 77% of the [West German Justice Ministry’s] senior officials were former Nazis, which, according to the study, was a higher proportion that during Hitler’s Third Reich government, which existed from 1933 to 1945.
This is only one small example, the practice was widespread in West German as well as NATO generally.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 hours ago:
You are literally the most reasonable communicator on the fediverse, lmao.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 hours ago:
This thread in a nutshell, lmao.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 hours ago:
True. But a lot of people on the whole Fediverse seem to be very narrow-minded black-and-white thinkers.
“Black and white thinking” is when you don’t like people who defend their defense of genocide by saying “it’s the law”?
discuss.tchncs.de
Sometimes I wonder if German instances are a social experiment and our reactions are being recorded and analyzed.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 hours ago:
Unlike yourself and that other user, who are simply neutral observers? lmao
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 hours ago:
accuses me of dodging criticism for making a very specific argument about how treating real and fake genocide as equivalent is a form of genocide denial
Somehow, you don’t see the irony.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 hours ago:
I said “equivalent” and “equally valid”, if you’re going to make an argument based on the exact word used you should at least get it right.
Only difference is that your side is “right”
I literally quoted this sentence where you stated that they were equivalent in my previous reply.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 9 hours ago:
I think they’re German, conflating antisemitism with anti-zionism is their favorite excuse for why this genocide will finally be the good one.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 9 hours ago:
One of them was extremely offended in another thread when I replied to them with “I was just following orders”. hahaha
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 10 hours ago:
Allegations of genocide
International recognition
Map showing very few countries recognize this as a genocide.
As I said, by treating this as equivalent to the near universally recognized genocide in Gaza, you are engaging in a form of genocide denial. Funny, the map of (the very few) countries that recognize this has a large overlap with the map of countries that do the same form of denial with the Holocaust.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 10 hours ago:
Only difference is that your side is “right”
lmao, it seems you’re the perfect centrist. By this standard, “the Holocaust happened” and “white genocide in South Africa happened” are both equally valid statements. Do you see how ridiculous it is to just group statements by superficial similarity and treat them as equivalent regardless of the substance of the claims or the evidence?
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 10 hours ago:
Yes, opposing the main resistance to zionism makes you a zionist. Glad we all understand each other.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 10 hours ago:
I legitimately need to check users post histories to understand which extreme they are on
If you can’t tell the difference between “media owned by the wealthy reproduces their ideology” and Q-Anon, that might be a problem with you and not others.
