Comment on Tesla Robotaxis Reportedly Crashing at a Rate That's 4x Higher Than Humans

• tomalley8342@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Nah, that one’s on Elon just being a stubborn bitch and thinking he knows better than everybody else (as usual). Image

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  • 73ms@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    well I mean it’s the one thing that Tesla’s got going for it compared to Waymo which is way ahead of them.

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  • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He’s right in that if current AI models were genuinely intelligent in the way humans are then cameras would be enough to achieve at least human level droving skills. The problem of course is that AI models are not nearly at that level yet 

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    • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨46⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Also the Human brain is still on par with some of the worlds best supercomputers, I doubt a Tesla has that much onboard processing power.

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    • T156@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Even if they were, would it not be better to give the car better senses?

      Humans don’t have LIDAR because we can’t just hook something into a human’s brain and have it work. If you can do that with a self-driving car, why cut it down to human senses?

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      • 48954246@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Exactly, with this logic why have motors or wheels?

        You don’t have wheels so you shouldn’t use cars

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      • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I agree it would be better. I’m just saying that in theory cameras are all that would be required to achieve human level performance, so long as the AI was capable enough

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    • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Cameras are inferior to human vision in many ways. Especially the ones used on Teslas.

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      • alsimoneau@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Lower dynamic range for one.

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am a Human and there were occasions where I couldn’t tell if it’s an obstacle on the road or a weird shadow…

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      • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yes. In theory cameras should be enough to get you up to human level driving competence but even that is a low bar.

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• paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  just one more AI model, please that’ll do it, just one more, just you wait, have you seen how fast things are improving? Just one more. Common, just one more…

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  • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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    I NEED ONE MORE FACKIN’ AI MODEL!!

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• halcyoncmdr@piefed.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t think it’s necessarily about cost. They were removing sensors both before costs rose and supply became more limited with things like the tariffs.

  Too many sensors also causes issues, adding more is not an easy fix. Sensor Fusion is a notoriously difficult part of robotics. It can help with edge cases and verification, but it can also exacerbate issues. Sensors will report different things at some point. Which one gets priority? Is a sensor failing or reporting inaccurate data? How do you determine what is inaccurate if the data is still within normal tolerances?

  More on topic though… My question is why is the robotaxi accident rate different from the regular FSD rate? Ostensibly they should be nearly identical.

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  • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Regular FSD rate has the driver (you) monitoring the car so there will be less accidents IF you properly stay attentive.

    The FSD rides with a saftey monitor (passenger seat) had a button to stop the ride.

    The driverless and no monitor cars have nothing.

    So you get more accidents as you remove that supervision.

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    • 73ms@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The unsupervised cars are very unlikely to be involved in these crashes yet because according to Robotaxi tracker there was only a single one of those operational and only for the final week of January.

      As you suggest there’s a difference in how much the monitor can really do about FSD misbehaving compared to a driver in the driver’s seat though. On the other hand they’re still forced to have the monitor behind the wheel in California so you wouldn’t expect a difference in accident rate based on that there, would be interesting to compare.

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• parzival@lemmy.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m not too sure it’s about cost, it seems to be about Elon not wanting to admit he was wrong, as he made a big point of lidar being useless

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