Comment on Tesla Robotaxis Reportedly Crashing at a Rate That's 4x Higher Than Humans

itsathursday@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah that’s well known by now. However, safety through additional radar sensors costs money and they can’t have that.

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  • tomalley8342@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nah, that one’s on Elon just being a stubborn bitch and thinking he knows better than everybody else (as usual). Image

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    • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      He’s right in that if current AI models were genuinely intelligent in the way humans are then cameras would be enough to achieve at least human level droving skills. The problem of course is that AI models are not nearly at that level yet 

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      • T156@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Even if they were, would it not be better to give the car better senses?

        Humans don’t have LIDAR because we can’t just hook something into a human’s brain and have it work. If you can do that with a self-driving car, why cut it down to human senses?

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      • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Cameras are inferior to human vision in many ways. Especially the ones used on Teslas.

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      • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Also the Human brain is still on par with some of the worlds best supercomputers, I doubt a Tesla has that much onboard processing power.

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      • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I am a Human and there were occasions where I couldn’t tell if it’s an obstacle on the road or a weird shadow…

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    • 73ms@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      well I mean it’s the one thing that Tesla’s got going for it compared to Waymo which is way ahead of them.

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  • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    just one more AI model, please that’ll do it, just one more, just you wait, have you seen how fast things are improving? Just one more. Common, just one more…

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    • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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      I NEED ONE MORE FACKIN’ AI MODEL!!

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  • halcyoncmdr@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think it’s necessarily about cost. They were removing sensors both before costs rose and supply became more limited with things like the tariffs.

    Too many sensors also causes issues, adding more is not an easy fix. Sensor Fusion is a notoriously difficult part of robotics. It can help with edge cases and verification, but it can also exacerbate issues. Sensors will report different things at some point. Which one gets priority? Is a sensor failing or reporting inaccurate data? How do you determine what is inaccurate if the data is still within normal tolerances?

    More on topic though… My question is why is the robotaxi accident rate different from the regular FSD rate? Ostensibly they should be nearly identical.

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    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Regular FSD rate has the driver (you) monitoring the car so there will be less accidents IF you properly stay attentive.

      The FSD rides with a saftey monitor (passenger seat) had a button to stop the ride.

      The driverless and no monitor cars have nothing.

      So you get more accidents as you remove that supervision.

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      • 73ms@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The unsupervised cars are very unlikely to be involved in these crashes yet because according to Robotaxi tracker there was only a single one of those operational and only for the final week of January.

        As you suggest there’s a difference in how much the monitor can really do about FSD misbehaving compared to a driver in the driver’s seat though. On the other hand they’re still forced to have the monitor behind the wheel in California so you wouldn’t expect a difference in accident rate based on that there, would be interesting to compare.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Which one gets priority?

      The one that says there’s a danger.

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      • halcyoncmdr@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Alright, so the radar is detecting a large object in front of the vehicle while travelling at highway speeds. The vision system can see the road is clear.

        So with your assumption of listening to whatever says there’s an issue, it slams on the brakes to stop the car. But it’s actually an overpass, or overhead sign that the radar is reflecting back from while the road is clear. Now you have phantom braking.

        Now extend that to a sensor or connection failure. The radar or a wiring harness is failing and sporadically reporting back close contacts that don’t exist. More phantom braking, and this time with no obvious cause.

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  • parzival@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not too sure it’s about cost, it seems to be about Elon not wanting to admit he was wrong, as he made a big point of lidar being useless

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