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JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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In the US we have the Second Amendment. The fascists have been the ones screaming and yelling about the Second Amendment, but the truth is that all Americans have the right.

Owning a gun isn’t enough. Driving to Cabela’s and picking up a vermin killing .22 rifle is not enough. You should buy a proper rifle, a pistol, and a knife or baton. (Bonus points for a shotgun) Then you need to train with said rifle, pistol and knife/baton. Go to a range and shoot. Look for local self defense/hand to hand combat with a weapon classes and train.

I am not advocating for violence…far from it. But I am advocating for knowledge because owning a weapon and not knowing how to use it is a recipe for disaster.

PS: If you can afford it, buy suppressors and/or active hearing protection. Especially for your rifles. Suppression for the common citizen isn’t about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect. Suppressors might be out of reach for most but quality active hearing protection is not.

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BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Whenever this comes up I like to add:

Don’t get a gun in some obscure caliber. Get a pistol in 9mm or a riffle in 223 (even better get a 5.56x45 NATO) or 308 win, that way ammo will be cheaper and you can better afford training with it. Shooting a few hundred rounds is not really enough. You’ll need to train regularly.

Learn how to maintain your gun. As in how to clean it, what parts need lubrication, adjusting the sights, etc.

Speaking as an electronic engineer, get passive ear protection. Active noise cancelling is cool and all, but what about when the batteries run out and you have no protection? Or what the electronics fail? Protect your ears, but when you can get +100 rounds of ammo for the price difference, then I would prioritize the ammo budget.
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- Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Don’t ear protection like the Razor Slims function both with active noise cancelling and without electricity? Active noise cancelling is useful for hearing the range instructor, but I’d imagine the seal and cushioning would also provide adequate hearing protection.
  
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  - agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Pretty sure mine are passive with a little speaker that selectively transmits low decibel sounds. If the batteries die, it’s still passive protection, I just don’t get to hear people talking.
    
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  - Gerudo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I use passive but my wife uses active ones from Walker. Their passive isn’t quite as good, but plenty for range use in case the batteries die.
    
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  - treesquid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Razor slims have shitty protection if the battery dies, only 22db, which is not enough without also using foamies. Also their sound quality is dogshit compared to the equally cheap Impact Sport electronic muffs, which also sacrifice passive protection for slimmer dimensions. Proper passive muffs are 30-33db reduction.
    
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    Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Huh, TIL. I do have a pair of purely passive muffs (from my father, presumably acquired in the 90s/00s) that I could use if need be. I got the Razor slims a bit back because of a clearance discount at a sporting good store, glad to hear there are other options in their price range though.
    
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- arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  And don’t forget cardio
  
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- sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  People should also be aware that shooting guns causes physical brain damage, so they should take that into consideration.
  
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  - BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    But that’s just indoor shooting, right? (The page doesn’t work on my phone)
    
    I wouldn’t want to shoot much larger guns than 22 indoors routinely. But that’s maybe the viking in me talking ❄️⚔️🔥
    
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    sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s all shooting, but the indoor galleries seem to make the concussive effects a bit worse.
    
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  - Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    So does letting the nazis win.
    
    I bought my first firearm a few weeks ago because the risk of nazis showing up at my door had gone through the roof. Even if they don’t (and I still think the odds are good that they wont), we’re in for some massive food supply shortages this year. Even now, I’ve noticed that there are more runs on groceries, the quality, quantity, and variety of food in my grocery stores has dropped. I’m growing a big garden this year, which is the main reason I got the gun. If someone broke in before, my main plan to was to let them have whatever the fuck they want outside of the bedroom. That garden however, may be the difference between living and dying next year, and it’s not something I can just buy again, or pack up and scurry away with when confronted.
    
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- SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I wonder if active noise canceling doesn’t have a delay that pretty much nullifies said protection in the case of quick loud bangs.
  
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  - Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    For consumer bluetooth earbuds with a high level of latency (think what you’d use on your phone), certainly - which is why you should never try to use everyday use headphones as genuine hearing protection for things such as industrial environments or gunshots.
    
    Dedicated hearing protection devices perform all their audio functions locally with almost no latency at all (unless you count using an aux jack in conjunction for something like two-way radios, which don’t interfere with the noise cancelling).
    
    TL;DR - yes for devices not designed to protect your ears, no for devices designed as hearing protection (because of their specific design and operation).
    
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    SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    From what I understand, typically audio compression has about 20 ms of ramp-up, though it can be theoretically lowered about ten times — not sure how well it would work in that case, though. Consider that aural reaction speed is apparently way better than visual, wherein the latter is on the order of 200 ms. As is confirmed by musicians hearing a lag of around 15 ms. This leads me to believe that human hearing would probably pick up the shots sound before noise cancellation kicks in, otherwise the cancellation is too sensitive for anything else to be heard.
    
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- SyntaxError@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Active ear protection become passive when the batteries fail. The active part is that they have microphones on the outside so that you can hear normally with them on. I do agree though that noice cancelling headphones should not be used as hearing protection.
  
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in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Hey Jo, Sorry I’m late

If you’re currently versed in Firearms and are able to start a chapter, or if you are lucky enough to live in an area with a local chapter the SRA is a good organization. However they are apparently fractured and their politics may not align. https://socialistra.org/

https://www.blazingsword.org/ is better for LGBTQ+ anarchists that tend to not get along with Tankies.

A more decentralized option could be a John Brown Gun Club https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/john-brown-gun-club

Good basis of organized tactics. The guide below is more about organized movement than direct fire. Below will NOT help you in a firefight as it relies on a much larger trained force than you are likely to have. Good to know what the bastards study though. https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Portals/207/Docs/TBS/B2F2837%20Rifle%20Squad%20Tactics.pdf?ver=2015-05-27-100939-710

How to avoid getting balled up and kettled. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarch-ish-how-to-win-at-kettling-a-guide-for-non-policemen

Sabotage guide from WW2 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184.txt.utf-8

General armed defense https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/organizing-armed-defense-in-america

How to organize a rapid response from a very high level with further detailed resources. https://southerncoalition.org/resources/rapid-response-101/

Good general advice on organizing, also a good resource to find groups near you that are likely aligned. https://www.fiftyfifty.one/organizer-resources

Feel free to reach out for any other resources.

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TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I would say these days, probably one in four of your friends should own an fov drone and know how to use it, repair, maintain as well.

Prob not a bad idea too if one in 8 of your friends takes on 3d printing as a hobby. Knows the ins and outs, maintenance, big supply of filament, etc.

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QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
don’t suppressors not work for the first shit?

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- JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  don’t suppressors not work for the first shit?
  
  I can’t say. I’ve never fired mine from the toilet.
  
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  - MTZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Amateur
    
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  - Aljernon@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    I can’t say. I’ve never fired mine from the toilet.
    
    Sounds like a major gap in your training. What if they come for you while you’re taking care of business?
    
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  - X@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Well you’d better start training, hey?
    
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- FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  To answer the actual question yes, suppressors work for your first shot.
  
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- ashestoashes@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  suppressors don’t make your gun quiet as much as they make them slightly less noisy, which helps if you don’t wanna blow out your eardrums. the legality of them varies tho
  
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  - Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You have to get a tax stamp for a suppressor, fill out some paperwork, and wait for a bit. Used to cost 200 bucks for the tax stamp, but that fee is 0 dollars right now.
    
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- SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Considering that suppressors work by dispersing the gases (just like a car muffler), I don’t see why it would work differently on the first shot.
  
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  - Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Supposedly their is a “first round pop” where the first round is a little bit louder. Has something to do with the suppressor being full of cold, fresh air. Still much quieter than unsuppressed.
    
    www.silencershop.com/…/what-is-first-round-pop
    
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folekaule@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
As someone who doesn’t know much about guns: if .22 is not enough, then what is “a proper rifle”? Why would I need a rifle, pistol, and a knife/baton? If I am just defending myself and my family, will I still need all of these things?

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- BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If you’re not a gun person don’t bother with a rifle or handgun, get a shotgun.
  
  You don’t have to worry about over penetration with a shotgun, and it’s easier to hit with than a pistol.
  
  If you want to know what a proper rifle is, then that’s really a subjective assessment. I would say that a 22lr is ok, unless you need fight people in body armor. But I can see how big burly Muricans want something in 338 lapua or 50 bmg.
  
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- JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Easiest way to put it is this way.
  
  Rifle - Long distance shots. Semiautomatic rifles like AR-15 types put out a lot of bullets with precision and are a good way to protect a perimeter.
  
  Pistol - Medium distance. Kill or wound in situations where you can see the white of their eyes.
  
  Shotgun - Short distance (indoors) and highly versatile. You can even load it with “less lethal” ammo.
  
  Knife/baton - Hand to hand combat.
  
  I am not a hardcore gun aficionado so please, I encourage further feedback.
  
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- Hathaway@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Most of these comment have said a lot, but lemme just say, a rifle is not for “long range” while a pistol is “short” like a couple people are trying to say. Even for a shotgun. Anyway, former infantryman here. Get a 12 gauge shotgun. Get slugs, bird shot, and buck shot, you’re going to be fine in 99% of situations.
  
  A rifle is more versatile, but, unless you’re putting the time in, it’s not worth it. However, it’s easier to handle than a pistol. Your rifle, just like your shotgun, can handle indoors just fine.
  
  Handguns are for concealment. They’re much harder on the shooter to use, and require more time to become proficient. Short barrel length means weapon handling is down, accuracy is out the window, but, if you need a gun and you don’t want someone to know you have it, it’s your only option really.
  
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  - folekaule@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Very insightful, thank you. I’m mainly looking to deter or stop an intruder. I’m too old and weak to put up a close combat fight. My area is pretty safe for now, but we’re in deep red territory so who knows.
    
    Your advice jibes with what I’ve read online and been told by other experienced gun owners/ex military. Thank you for the straight forward recommendation.
    
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- moncharleskey@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  A rifle is for long range, a pistol for close, and a knife/baton for arms reach. Why you may need all three depends on your situation. If you have a yard, a handgun is going to be difficult to safely use at anywhere beyond 25 meters for most people, so that’s where the rifle comes in. If they are at your door or in your house, that’s what the pistol/shotgun are for, with a knfie or baton as a backup. You do not want to be shooting a rifle inside your house. The noise will be horrendous, and the bullets will over penetrate through targets and the walls behind them. As far as a proper rifle goes, your best bet is an AR15 for a few reasons. They are cheap, readily available, have a plethora of customization options, and most importantly are generally extremely reliable. Another option worth considering is a pistol caliber carbine. This is a rifle length setup chambered in pistol rounds, which reduces recoil and ammunition cost, and if you can use the same ammunition as your pistol. If done properly, you can even interchange the magazines between pistol and rifle. A baton is fantastic to keep on hand because you are less likely to get a major injury if you mishandle it. Any questions let me know!
  
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  - Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’m surprised you used metres not feet and had assumed American because of your gun knowledge but now I’m confused lol
    
    Great info - thanks!
    
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    moncharleskey@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I am American, but the metric system is badass.
    
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- Gerudo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Talking “proper” calibers is the equivalent of what Linux distro is best. It comes down to how accurate and quickly can you shoot under pressure. By most standards a .22 is too light a round to stop someone, unless you can precisely hit the head and potentially multiple times. A 9mm is kind of gold standard starting point for self defence. Like someone mentioned, if you aren’t a great shot, or feel like under pressure you wouldn’t be accurate, grab a shotgun. Just racking one can stop some people from attacking.
  
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sem@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
When I’m called off, I got a sawed-off

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flandish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Americans

people in the country.

the bill of “rights” in most cases also, as written, applies to folks in the borders too.

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- folekaule@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Thank you! So many people don’t realize that. It’s even one of the citizenship test questions used when you go through naturalization:
  
  What are two rights of everyone living in the United States?
  
  freedom of expression
  
  freedom of speech
  
  freedom of assembly
  
  freedom to petition the government
  
  freedom of religion
  
  the right to bear arms
  
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pinesolcario@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Liberals are not built to fight this way. And a lot of liberal states have helped the fascist agenda with making semi auto rifles extremely hard to buy. AR15 with 30 rds vs mini 14 with only 10 rds…the two are vastly different.

Hate it all you want but this is the double edged sword people warned liberals about. I saw it coming and I started buying right before all the anti 2A rhetoric. Liberals need to start banging on their states lawmakers to undo their bullshit. And vote out the ones that don’t listen.

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