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• rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If the idea of a healthy Fediverse requires people moving instances whenever one finds themselves close to bottom-feeders and opportunistic parasites, we already lost.

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  • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s not so much the requirement of moving inasmuch it’s the ease of doing so.

    With traditional social medi, you’d need to move entirely to another social media platform while you might not even be able to enjoy similar content. With lemmy&piefed, you can do that.

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• TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s discord model. 🫩

  Fediverse needs to have a layer which traps AI in a never-ending maze.

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  • rimu@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A never-ending maze would mean the scrapers just hammer our servers forever. Better to lead them into a honeypot and automatically ban their IP. Like PieFed does.

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    • davidgro@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What about a maze that adds a few hundred ms to the response time with each request, so the load gets less the longer it’s trapped?

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      • rimu@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I haven’t tried to make something like that. I think it’d be hard to do that without also exhausting our resources too.

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    • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A never-ending maze would mean the scrapers just hammer our servers forever.

      Is that how tarpitting works? I didn’t know.

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      • rimu@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There are a lot of strategies. afaik a tar pit tries to waste the attacker’s resources by delaying our responses to their traffic? A honey pot tries to funnel bot traffic towards a place which only bots would go to. Once they go there you know they’re a bot and they can be banned.

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sadly that only works for scrapers, content engaging bots are immune to it.

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    • pimento64@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So just find scrapers IRL and burn down their houses, easy

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  • FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How would that layer distinguish AI from non-AI?

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  • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s the job of the web server, not of the application that runs on it.

    There is already software you can get that feeds a never-ending maze of text to AI scrapers, some of which is AI generated and/or designed to poison LLM training. The problem is that these still use up a ton of bandwidth.

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  • mapto@feddit.bg ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fortunately AI is taking care of that on its own doi.org/10.1038/s41586-024-07566-y

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• rimu@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yes PieFed has a setting for that. It makes scrapers give up pretty fast but ruins the experience for people without an account so I only use it on really bad days.

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• nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Lemmy also has an admin setting like that. Additionally there will be private, federated communities available in version 1.0.

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• Drusas@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That's how it's been on my mbin instance (fedia.io) for a while now.

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• deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  the rest only accessible through login and verification

  Yes. If you can’t fight the death of the www, embrace it! Help making it happen!

  /s

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  • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t need one of those stupid ID verifications. Something else should be that instead, but what, I do not know. Whatever helps counter AI scraping and preserves anonymity.

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