piefed has an opinionated dev reimplementing karma and filters for content they don’t like right into the application
Wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
What’s the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?
Lauchmelder@feddit.org 1 month ago
tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 month ago
I was thinking of giving piefed a shot. Any further reading on this?
Lauchmelder@feddit.org 1 month ago
I don’t think there’s a writeup, but I can search for explanations later, I’m kind of on the go rn. These filters are technically optional, it’s just another piece of trust you have to hand over to your instance admin and hope they don’t turn them on. Also you have to trust that these optional filters are the only ones, and that there won’t be any hidden filters.
If you wanna give it a shot then by all means go ahead, but I personally feel very uneasy knowing these exist and the dev is willing to implement algorithms to punish people who post “bad content” in their eyes
Kate@lemmings.world 1 month ago
Lemmy also has filters, you have to have the same ‘trust’ that admins don’t add words to them.
hoch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Here’s at leat some of the ‘feature’ list. was about to switch to piefed until I read it.
kazerniel@lemmy.world 1 month ago
check out this comment
renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
piefed isn’t made by tankies
no_name_dev_from_hell@programming.dev 1 month ago
It’s made by feds.
SilentDniper@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
wait are you sure? there was a lemmy admin talking about how the software is authoritarian and has a “social credit score” that sounds like what a tankie would put in
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 month ago
You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 month ago
I wonder if they mean the genocide-denying lemmy admin or the transphobic lemmy admin. It’s easy to mix those two guys up
SilentDniper@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
No this person: feddit.dk/u/SorteKanin
I think I understand now and it is clear I need to make a new account on piefed
Eldritch@piefed.world 1 month ago
Piefed has two user rating systems. Your attitude, which is public, and allows people to see what your ratio of up votes to down votes is. The other being reputation, which is generally reserved for administration and moderation iirc. Which is an accumulation of how other people upvote and downvote you. Basically the sort of thing anyone could get just by looking at the public information just condensed all in one spot.
Anyone calling it social credit score is being disingenuous. The most controversial feature it has is its content filtering system, which is disabled by default.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 month ago
PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.
And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there’s an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.
Because I’m sure "they’ll" come and rage here once they see this post I’ll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they’ve got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.
nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
And also most of the things you said are simply wrong.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 month ago
Any PieFed user can confirm the features are correct.
I could go digging through posts to find your well documented history of it, but I’ll quote your guy here because I have this on hand already and any ml user is going to trust their word.
Dessalines has a whole link spam dedicated to genocide denial and spreading Russian propaganda on Ukraine.
Or do you mean posting the previous thread on the brigading hatejerk comm?
nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Nice screenshot by the way, which leaves out 90% of the actual comment. Link for comparison. I wont even get into the other deceptions, you really are true to your name.
toofpic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
All the people upvote you, it’s only “them” who downvote you. You have a clear picture of the world around you!
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 month ago
I said nothing about votes.
I’m talking about the comm where they brigaded from the last thread this image was post and spammed it with misinformation.
SilentDniper@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Ew gross, fuck tankies. I’m really confused so both lemmy and piefed are tankie-adjacent?
nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
No, Lemmy is fine. We may have our personal opinions on our things, but we never let them affect our work. A lot of admins and contributors also keep an eye on it. If you dont like how moderation works on a particular Lemmy instance, you can find a dozen other instances with different rules. As developers we could not even ban the clowns on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if we wanted.
goat@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
but you do ban users who are from !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 month ago
No, only Lemmy.
goat@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Piefed was created because users weren’t happy that the developers spend more time arguing on tankie talking points and censoring dissent than developing Lemmy.
TidBit@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Piefed provides sections or slices of the fediverse and often is incorporated with mastodon, whereas Lemmy is a much bigger aspect of the overall fediverse. While everyone is entitled to their option how they approach certain topics, Lemmy’s devs have a huge impact on federation protocols, moderation norms, and general user experience across the fediverse!
nesc@lemmy.cafe 1 month ago
And it’s not being developed by tankies.
hayvan@piefed.world 1 month ago
They are similar platforms and they federate, i.e. you can see all Lemmy content with a Piefed account and vice versa.
Blaze@piefed.zip 1 month ago
Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn’t have:
https://join.piefed.social/features/
Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don’t have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
Lauchmelder@feddit.org 1 month ago
The fact these filters exist in the first place are not a good sign. When Microsoft introduces new shitware that is “disabled by default” people are skeptical that it might not be disabled for long, but when a fediverse dev does it to block content they personally don’t like it’s fine? This goes against the entire concept of the fediverse imho. Just block people you don’t like yourself
tenchiken@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
it’s Python. It’s foss.
I’ve removed code I didn’t want in mine. (A feature I later re enabled).
If I want to add code, I do so. Or I remove code.
Microsoft is closed, and they are leveraging tons of cash to manipulate. Try turning off updates on a windows 11 machine… Is it just a toggle? What if Microsoft removes the option or requires.. oh wait closed source and they already did.
All piefed has been doing is giving options.
Blame admins if you like but be honest about your intentions instead of this campism.
Masto and other fedi services give options of blanket blocks or filters, so arguing entire concept of fedi is nonsense.
Blaze@piefed.zip 1 month ago
Microsoft does not operate on a federated model.
The Piefed devs have no way to change the configuration of other instances.
Lauchmelder@feddit.org 1 month ago
if only there was a way for devs to distribute changes to the software they made
whaleross@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It goes against your concept of the Fediverse. You are just as much trying to force your personal preference on others with this argument of slippery slope of Microsoft nonsense.
I think it is great if different instances have different profiles that cater to different audience instead of everything just being the same with different domain names. If it is all the same it may as well be a single instance and the entire point of federating is lost.
Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 month ago
I specifically chose my instance by what content they did and didn’t choose to block. I turned away from several otherwise appealing instances because they didn’t block some of the content I would’ve wanted them to. I know I can do it myself, and I do when I need to, but I want an instance that aligns with my interests enough that I don’t have to worry about blocking every problematic group as they pop up. If something changes and the instance ends up blocking things I wouldn’t want blocked, I move to another instance. It’s as easy as moving to another seat on the bus - barely an inconvenience.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Piefed seens to have a lot of issues baked into the code
lemmy.world/post/42299745
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Also piefed violating basic compatibility in fediverse: communick.news/comment/8015757
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s actually some very interesting discussion down there.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 1 month ago
Create a PR and fix it.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Lol, why? I don’t use Piefed and besides, I work on my own open source project.
But seriously, why would I contribute to a project I don’t use and have no association with?
QuadratureSurfer@piefed.social 1 month ago
That looks like one very specific issue rather than a lot of issues of something to really worry about.
Personally I haven’t noticed had any issues uploading images for posts.
SilentDniper@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
How can I pick which piefed server doesn’t have the social credit score enabled?
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 month ago
I recommend MULTIVERSE, the anarcho-antirealist PieFed server. We have a karma system the same as Reddit, which you’re used to, and we don’t do any extra processing of the score. Some PieFed communities ignore karma earned on meme communities to prevent repost farming, but on MULTIVERSE, we just look at upvotes - downvotes, and unlike Reddit, your karma score means absolutely nothing for your ability to post on communities.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Does it still prevent people from replying to people that blocked them so the conversation can continue without the blocker?
michael@piefed.chrisco.me 1 month ago
And it works really well :)
Piefed has been a great experience.
thoro@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Are these features available on mobile apps? Because I mostly use Lemmy on Jerboa