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cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Wait, Digg gave the community to a Reddit moderator so Reddit could control the communities with the same name on both platforms? That’s wild.

That’s also how the corporate side of Reddit works. Someone will register a subreddit, and then a bunch of related ones, so anybody who tries to use any of them has to follow the same set of rules — and if you piss off the wrong person in one, they can ban you from all of them. They can also use their “first” or “official” or even “user count” status to bully smaller subs into redirecting to them. Effectively centralising information.

The Fediverse doesn’t work like that. While the Reddit mods who wish to consolidate power across networks might target lemmy.world, they can’t get all the instances, and they probably won’t try. They’ll just go after the big one, or the big two or three. Some instances will flip them the bird, like I imagine db0 won’t stand for that shit.

Then you will see instances advertising “free speech” as a feature. The question is which will users flock to? The official one, or the free one? But that’s always been the question of Lemmy. You can go on Reddit and toe the line and say paedophiles are people who deserve all the good things in life and keep your account, but if you try to be genuine, they kick you off and make the choice for you.

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db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Some instances will flip them the bird, like I imagine db0 won’t stand for that shit.

Oh I hope someone tries to pull this shit in the flotilla…👹

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- orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yarr
  
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- Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Im trademarking “world”, anyone tries to use it and ill sue you!
  
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- NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  in the flotilla…
  
  Is this a snowcrash reference?
  
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  - db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Lol, nah. It’s our confederation of anarchist instances
    
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    NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Yours, solarpunk and maybe Blahaj? Sorry to hit you with an impromptu game of 40 questions
    
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- curbstickle@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Even better would be them posting to PTB after…
  
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homes@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Someone will register a subreddit, and then a bunch of related ones, so anybody who tries to use any of them has to follow the same set of rules — and if you piss off the wrong person in one, they can ban you from all of them.

This definitely happens here on Lemme, too. There are asshole mods, here who register a ton of communities, and getting banned from one of them instantly means you’re banned from all of them. I’ve seen this in the mod logs where someone has a relatively innocuous comment removed, then they are suddenly banned from both that community and 10 or 12 other communities. All run by the same moderator.

If you think you escaped asshole mods just because you’re switched over here to Lemmy, think again.

From StumbleUpon to fark to digg to Reddit to Lemmy… Asshole, power-tripping mods are everywhere and aren’t going away.

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- Coastal_Explorer@feddit.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Not just mods, but sometimes even instance Admins. This is one of the main reasons why so many left .ml
  
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  - homes@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    well, the .ml mods never seem to be the “power-tripping” type of asshole. they would argue and were combative and were definitely assholes, but they didn’t seem to quick to ban people.
    
    The major objection (and why most people left) was because of the explicit political views of the Admins (who also are the main devs for the Lemmy software) and the rampant intolerance of other views by not only them, but the other users of that instance. I ran into users on .ml that were soooo far worse than the shittiest assholes I ever encountered of Reddit or Digg. It’s part of why I’ve switched to PieFed.
    
    Lemmy does help mitigate this by giving the wider community the ability to sort of sequester the trouble-makers and to easily block them.
    
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    SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    .ml mods are exactly the type to ban people from every community because they don’t share the exact same viewpoints as the mod in question.
    
    dbzer0 is getting almost as bad with certain admin and certain topics now too.
    
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    OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    But also when they would ban someone, they would do so from every single community on their instance, including ones that you’ve never even heard of.
    
    And then never bother to so much as tell you about your being banned.
    
    And also deny you the ability to appeal or ask questions - e.g. Reddit has both a modmail and the ability to continue discourse directly in a post that has been removed from a community listing. Which as a former mod I would use to communicate rejection reasons and sometimes we’d go back and forth for days talking about the subject further, e.g. ways that the newcommer could modify it as to not piss off the old hands in the community (e.g. NSFW is allowed but must be properly labeled or some such).
    
    Oh, and soon a change is going to give lemmy.ml veto power on what communities are allowed to be suggested to new instances - and being baked right into the code so there is no way to change that - rather than use a third-party listing.
    
    I find it highly ironic that in some ways Lemmy, in particular .ml, is more authoritarian than even Reddit.
    
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- db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  . I’ve seen this in the mod logs where someone has a relatively innocuous comment removed just because the mod disagrees with them, then they are suddenly banned from both that community and 10 or 12 other communities. All run by the same moderator.
  
  !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
  
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  - homes@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    oh, the irony
    
    lol
    
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  - Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    But doctor, I am Pagliacci!
    
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OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

The Fediverse doesn’t work like that

Maybe Mastodon does not, but Lemmy, in particular lemmy.ml, works more like that than you realize. e.g. a change is soon going to give lemmy.ml veto power in what communities are allowed to be acknowledged as existing to new instances, which is baked right into the code and there is no way to change it. A third-party listing could have been used instead but… no, this is rather much more on-brand for the Lemmy developers to have chosen.

So it is not a binary “Reddit is authoritarian whereas the Fediverse is not”, but rather we all can easily fall prey to authoritarianism, unless we fight against it.

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- pivot_root@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Your source is 3 months old and doesn’t back up your claims.
  
  It is an attempt to pre-populate new instances with some popular communities which is seen as a way to improve discoverability. I find the general concept of using “popularity” for that to be somewhat problematic, but the main issue I have with the actual implementation is that it uses lemmy.ml as the source of truth for that, and there is no way to change that*.
  
  — slrpnk.net admin
  
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  - OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    If lemmy.ml chooses not to federate with an instance, then those communities would not be in the listing, hence a veto power?
    
    In full fairness, it is fairly easy to add a new community after the new instance is spun up, which is why I said “what communities are allowed to be acknowledged as existing to new instances”, i.e. using that built-in source without additional efforts to go against that trend.
    
    This change increases the level of “centralization” towards using “lemmy.ml as the source of truth for that”. Trends towards centralization go against the spirit of a decentralized system, imho. Federation takes on a whole new meaning when it is interpreted not as individual rights but as a means to propagate the content authorized to exist in a central source… exactly as the OP topic covers, where community names must adhere to Reddit’s mandates.
    
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    pivot_root@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I dislike centralization as much as the next person and have my issues with lemmy.ml being allowed to control anything outside its own instance, but I think the way you phrased it is misleading.
    
    what communities are allowed to be acknowledged as existing to new instances
    
    That suggests .ml has the ability to prevent communities from being acknowledged at all by other instances, while the anti-feature is actually about them being the sole source of truth for what counts as a “popular” community.
    
    They can censor and curate that list to their authoritarian-apologist desires—which is a problem—but it only affects discoverability when browsing for popular communities, and instance admins can (and should) turn that off.
    
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    nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    This is a new feature to federate some popular communities when a new Lemmy instance is created. Previously it would be completely empty. The development code was hardcoded to lemmy.ml for a while, but I already changed this and made it configurable.
    
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    Blaze@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Comment from Nutomic as it seems you might have blocked him
    
    This is an unreleased feature to federate some popular communities when a new Lemmy instance is created. It was hardcoded to lemmy.ml for a while, but I already changed this and made it configurable. Obviously the entire development code for Lemmy is not ready for production now, and needs a lot of fine-tuning. Its not an argument against the stable release version of Lemmy.
    
    https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/6276
    
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