Comment on Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race

• brachiosaurus@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens

  yes they are

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  • arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I will never understand the hypocritical surveillance state apologism when it comes to China or Russia on this site.

    If China’s surveillance state was purely for the benefit of their citizens, they wouldn’t need such an extensive censorship apparatus that frequently censors minorities and minority beliefs (e.g. LGBT topics) as well as content that reflects particularly poorly on the government.

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    • brachiosaurus@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I will never understand the hypocritical surveillance state apologism when it comes to China or Russia on this site.

      People get brainwashed to conform, when they don’t like a side they urge to pick another

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    • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Precisely. Just ask Naomi Wu (SexyCyborg) how much she enjoys the surveillance state, how much she enjoyed being disappeared for a few months, how much she enjoys being told not to do any more techno State Resistance content, and how much she enjoys being able to leave but can’t, because her partner is queer.

      Really, its a bunch of people who either like being in an in-group and/or they like feeling superior/powerful by promoting authoritarian communism.

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      • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        So no different the America. Just that America is going after the “Illegals” right now.

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    • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If China’s surveillance state was purely for the benefit of their citizens, they wouldn’t need such an extensive censorship apparatus

      The freedom to lie and defraud, with money = speech, therefore money = terrorism, fraud, oppression is not constructive. Divisiveness and hate is not constructive. Inviting CIA to dominate your country’s speech is inviting terrorism, fraud, oppression as we see in every US colony.

      Repressing American Oligarchist values propaganda is necessary for any constructive society. Nothing about them has the slightest humanist value. Gay pride is just as much a supremacist overstep as religious pride. AFAIK, there is no criminality (even in Russia) for homosexuality or religion. The supremacism is oppressed. CIA needs the divisiveness of supremacism/evangelism in order to destroy/conquer vassals.

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      • SaraTonin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        hrw.org/…/russia-rising-toll-of-lgbt-extremism-de…

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      • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        AFAIK, there is no criminality (even in Russia) for homosexuality or religion.

        You don’t know shit about fuck.

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• obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s hard to tell if a post like this is intentional propaganda, or just “the enemy of my enemy must be my friend” brainwashed babbling.

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  • arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think fundamentally a lot of people do not understand that just because China and Russia (or a number of other countries) are in opposition to the US doesn’t inherently make them “good.” They’re pretty much all shitty too, just in different ways than the US, yet actual problems get brushed off as “the loss of making Winnie the Poo jokes,” as if not being able to make jokes on Weibo is the problem.

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  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Western governments are complete fucking corrupt shit. China’s simply is not, but at very least, not purposed to collapse and destroy itself or its society. The propaganda mill is the one telling you your democracy is working. If only DNC can regain power, then we can fortunately restart the full fledged support for war on Iran and Russia, and finally achieve Trump’s 5% of GDP for military spending target.

    Look at Covid response. Is trying to keep deaths at 0, oppressing its people? US government policy was to destroy blue cities through overwhelming pandemic, and side with those complaining about the inconvenience of public safety, by forcing workers into the crowded mines.

    I didn’t mean to imply that China’s government is perfect. But as long as CIA desires its destruction, divisive/treasonous/oligarchist speech cannot be permitted. My main point is the absolute complete corrupt evil shit our governments are. The megalomaniacal alliance forces world to be shit too, though, the free world is actually the non-US aligned world.

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    • Corridor8031@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The propaganda mill is the one telling you your democracy is working

      do you mean this as your countrys democracy, or democracy in general?

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      • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Democracy in general is supposed to lead to truth and pluralism. An establishment preferring to retain power will fake democracy as a tool to validate that power. This/democracy provides the result you deserve.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Two things can be bad at the same time.

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  • propaganja@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Instead of “China is not trying to oppress its citizens” it’d be more accurate to say that China is not in the state of advanced decline that requires [as much] oppression of its citizens to maintain power and control. Everything else, unfortunately, is spot on.

    Even left as-is, it’s a far cry from “intentional propaganda”. What motive would there even be to spread such? Do you imagine hordes of self-hating Americans, Chinese bots and shills, and China stans are behind every post that criticizes the U.S. and praises China? Or that someone somehow managed to “brainwash” a significant portion of the population into believing complete fabrications and/or turning their allegiance to China?

    The reality is that most people have a far easier time believing pleasant fictions and ignoring inconvenient facts than they do swallowing their pride and conceding to an enemy. On the Internet it’s pretty much everyone, and the rare exceptions must be eradicated. Case in point.

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    • obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “x country has GOOD state surveillance of its people. Not BAD surveillance of its people like Y country” can only ever be propaganda.

      its silly to pretend otherwise and we’re not having a serious conversation at this point.

      But I do imagine that every single post which promotes, as a positive, the oppression of a people’s freedom and dignity by their own government, is either propaganda or the product of a loathing so deep it manifests in an illogical rose tinted view of any perceived competitor.

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• UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Everybody Sucks Here

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