“we need to win the surveillance state race”
Comment on Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
“A surveillance state is needed to beat china who is evil because it’s a surveillance state”
skrlet13@feddit.cl 3 weeks ago
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
The difference between developed world democracies and other governments is that all opposition parties are allied with CIA and by transposition, Israel. Divisiveness purely to achieve maximum corruption is formula for rulership, and praising “freedom supremacy” is just a tool for corrupt warmongering. The only protection from CIA overthrow is to fight their hybrid control, and disruptive terrorism, operations. Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens or economic pluralism. If surveillance allows unattended ebike charging, and no crime, then that is a net benefit compared to loss of making WInnie the Poo jokes.
Palantir, more than all other US tech oligarchs, is dedicated to Israel supremacy, and Israel/Palantir now embraces full Trump/MAGA platform because fascism is more pro Israel/Oligarchy than pluralism. The absurd pace of AI investment in US is entirely based on the certainty that the US govermnent/military will buy all of the datacenter time. Destroying US economy to feed tech and climate terrorist energy oligarchs.
War on China and Russia is a losing proposition for both humanity and the west. Collapse is destined because for the last 25 years, “we must bankrupt ourselves, or humanity wins” has been the bipartisan CIA/Israel mantra that no one ever challenges, and news media feeds 24/7.
All big tech is firmly allied with US empire, and all of them are very polite to MAGA/Israel, with data collection used to help it. Palantir has the software to mine it effectively. US oligarchy, Palantir/OpenAI/Oracle/Tesla has been especially desperate this week. All the money, explicitly, must be given to them or China wins. It’s not even core science/technology anymore, its pure software/datacenter oligarch giveaways needed.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
yes they are
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
I will never understand the hypocritical surveillance state apologism when it comes to China or Russia on this site.
If China’s surveillance state was purely for the benefit of their citizens, they wouldn’t need such an extensive censorship apparatus that frequently censors minorities and minority beliefs (e.g. LGBT topics) as well as content that reflects particularly poorly on the government.
Telorand@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
Precisely. Just ask Naomi Wu (SexyCyborg) how much she enjoys the surveillance state, how much she enjoyed being disappeared for a few months, how much she enjoys being told not to do any more techno State Resistance content, and how much she enjoys being able to leave but can’t, because her partner is queer.
Really, its a bunch of people who either like being in an in-group and/or they like feeling superior/powerful by promoting authoritarian communism.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
People get brainwashed to conform, when they don’t like a side they urge to pick another
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
The freedom to lie and defraud, with money = speech, therefore money = terrorism, fraud, oppression is not constructive. Divisiveness and hate is not constructive. Inviting CIA to dominate your country’s speech is inviting terrorism, fraud, oppression as we see in every US colony.
Repressing American Oligarchist values propaganda is necessary for any constructive society. Nothing about them has the slightest humanist value. Gay pride is just as much a supremacist overstep as religious pride. AFAIK, there is no criminality (even in Russia) for homosexuality or religion. The supremacism is oppressed. CIA needs the divisiveness of supremacism/evangelism in order to destroy/conquer vassals.
obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
It’s hard to tell if a post like this is intentional propaganda, or just “the enemy of my enemy must be my friend” brainwashed babbling.
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
I think fundamentally a lot of people do not understand that just because China and Russia (or a number of other countries) are in opposition to the US doesn’t inherently make them “good.” They’re pretty much all shitty too, just in different ways than the US, yet actual problems get brushed off as “the loss of making Winnie the Poo jokes,” as if not being able to make jokes on Weibo is the problem.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
Western governments are complete fucking corrupt shit. China’s simply is not, but at very least, not purposed to collapse and destroy itself or its society. The propaganda mill is the one telling you your democracy is working. If only DNC can regain power, then we can fortunately restart the full fledged support for war on Iran and Russia, and finally achieve Trump’s 5% of GDP for military spending target.
Look at Covid response. Is trying to keep deaths at 0, oppressing its people? US government policy was to destroy blue cities through overwhelming pandemic, and side with those complaining about the inconvenience of public safety, by forcing workers into the crowded mines.
I didn’t mean to imply that China’s government is perfect. But as long as CIA desires its destruction, divisive/treasonous/oligarchist speech cannot be permitted. My main point is the absolute complete corrupt evil shit our governments are. The megalomaniacal alliance forces world to be shit too, though, the free world is actually the non-US aligned world.
Corridor8031@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
do you mean this as your countrys democracy, or democracy in general?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Two things can be bad at the same time.
propaganja@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Instead of “China is not trying to oppress its citizens” it’d be more accurate to say that China is not in the state of advanced decline that requires [as much] oppression of its citizens to maintain power and control. Everything else, unfortunately, is spot on.
Even left as-is, it’s a far cry from “intentional propaganda”. What motive would there even be to spread such? Do you imagine hordes of self-hating Americans, Chinese bots and shills, and China stans are behind every post that criticizes the U.S. and praises China? Or that someone somehow managed to “brainwash” a significant portion of the population into believing complete fabrications and/or turning their allegiance to China?
The reality is that most people have a far easier time believing pleasant fictions and ignoring inconvenient facts than they do swallowing their pride and conceding to an enemy. On the Internet it’s pretty much everyone, and the rare exceptions must be eradicated. Case in point.
obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
“x country has GOOD state surveillance of its people. Not BAD surveillance of its people like Y country” can only ever be propaganda.
its silly to pretend otherwise and we’re not having a serious conversation at this point.
But I do imagine that every single post which promotes, as a positive, the oppression of a people’s freedom and dignity by their own government, is either propaganda or the product of a loathing so deep it manifests in an illogical rose tinted view of any perceived competitor.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
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