Comment on arborholing

mushroommunk@lemmy.today ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus ⁨58⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Against The Grain by James C Scott touches on the “who actually domesticated who” question.

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• deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s because it doesn’t really make sense, plants came before animals. Plants do not need us to survive, but we need plants to survive.

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  • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Plants came before moths, but there are some desert plants whose life cycle is dependent on a species of moth pollinating them. How things were in the past influences but isn’t the sole arbiter of how things are in the present or future.

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    • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Some being a key word there. Plants, as a whole, are not dependent on mammals for their existence.

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      • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, I don’t think the OP was saying every plant in existence is dependent on humans. But crops are, and we’re dependent on them. Co-domestication, I guess.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      plants like magnolia used beetles for pollination, magnoliads being a very ancient lingeage of plants. its only very later before bees, moths, and then butterflies became the dominant pollinators, and then mammals.

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  • jrs100000@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We don’t need chickens to survive either. It doesn’t mean we didn’t domesticate them.

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  • codemankey@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Things change tho, they can “evolve” so to say.

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  • Manjushri@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Plants need us animals to turn that oxygen they produce back into carbon dioxide for them.

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    • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Nope, fungi and other decomposers do that.

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      • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m decomposing with the best of them, my friend.

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    • MalReynolds@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Eh, oxygen builds up, fire, CO2…

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      • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Which MOST plants seem to want to avoid… (although for others it has become a necessity, depends on what you are used to I guess)

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    plants came from red algae i believe, that was able to survive on land as primitive bryphytes, or thier ancestors. carbiniferous period is when they really took off. Plants encorporated both chloroplast and mitochondria endosymbionts in thier evolution.

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• Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Consider the Navel Orange. Completely unable to reproduce on its own, yet it has millions of progeny because of people like you!

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  • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Every seedless fruit is a testament of how humanity has deviated from its original, seed nurturing purpose.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    its a clone of a clone, much like the cavendish bannana, and cultivars of watermelons. and apples too.

    fun fact, there is actually a cold tolerant wild orange that grows in the wild, the trifoliate orange, but its not edible, and it has thorns, and its more resistant to disease than domesticated oranges.

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  • Bring_Back_Buggy_Whips@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Navel gazers?

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  • mushroommunk@lemmy.today ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That reminds me. Need to go clone some grape cultivars and do some more guerilla gardening at my buddy’s house

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• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Bacteria grow us for their homes

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  • baltakatei@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Brb, gotta go buy some cat food.

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    • Triti@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, toxoplasmosis is a parasite! Very different! Parasites are also susceptible to bacterial and viral diseases!

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• I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The botany of desire is a fun book written on the subject. Michael Pollan is not a scientist though, he’s a science and environmental journalist and Harvard professor.

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