Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits

moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Source Tesla 2025 Q2 report

  uhhhhhhh

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Those are financial documents if they’re lying and you can prove it sue them and make some money lol

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      if they’re lying and you can prove it sue them and make some money lol

      UHHHHHHHH

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      • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This conversation isn’t productive. Agree to disagree have a nice day.

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• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The key is “with human supervision”. Calling it Full Self Driving with “Supervised” in parentheses aftwards while putting out videos where they say the only reason there’s some behind the wheel is because of regulations (those annoying “regulations” amirite?) leads people to think they don’t really need to supervise the driving of the car.

  Couple that with the fact that there are actual full self driving cars (Waymo) there’s even greater confusion.

  People have been killed because of the misconceptions about Telsa cars actually being full self driving. Which they aren’t, they cheap out on the hardware needed for that to be possible, let alone the software.

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I agree the terminology is misleading and should be changed. If you’ve ever driven in one no driver with it on can be confused, the system will yell at you to look at the road.

    Waymo is ahead right now in geofenced areas for sure, I like Waymo, this post was just specifically about Tesla.

    Whether FSD is possible with out LiDAR is still an open question, but I think the safety personnel in Austin will be removed soon which will answer that question.

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• zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You know what, you’re right.

  You know what has an even better safety track record than a car with FSD supervised by a human?

  Trains.

  If your concern is actually safety, advocate for the safest methods of transportation - mass public transit, coupled with pedestrian- and bicycle-safe roads, and advocate against passenger cars, in any form.

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I would love walkable cities. I frequently bike to work you’ll get no disagreement from me there.

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• ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I can’t think of a less trustworthy source. Rolling a pile of dice with words on them is likely to tell the truth more often.

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fair enough. The NHTSA probe is for 2.9 million vehicles and 53 incidents. That is far below the level of incidents humans have over that span of vehicles for any appreciable level of drive time.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The same NHTSA that had its employees removed from these probes by the person being investigated?

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      • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Do you think a car that alerts you if you look away from the road and forces you to pay attention or you lose your ability to use the new features is less safe than a vehicle that is unaware of the driver is texting/sleeping or whatever?

        What type of source would you trust on this? If you don’t trust NHTSA what is your basis for saying Tesla FSD is unsafe?

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Or try this link from the government of Austin Link

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• ProfessorNeurus@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s not safer. I know because I’ve driven one. Not only does it make it easier to get distracted for just a moment, but also, you pay less attention to the surroundings, handling of the vehicle, situational awareness, etc. Because you know you don’t “have to”.

  And when it makes mistakes (and it does quite often) you’re less prepared to deal with it.

  Now you’re going to parrot “but you’re supposed to be attentive at all times”, and yes, you’re right, but we’re humans. And yes, you can absolutely extrapolate that FSD is less safe because of it, because it definitely puts the final safely measure on a weak part: us.

  Adaptive cruise control plus some level of Lane assist is, in my experience, safer. You’re still driving but you can relax your muscles, therefore allowing you to be less tired. More so if you have a manual transmission.

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Anecdotal. I’ve also driven one and felt it safer. I didn’t lead with that in my post because anecdotes aren’t real evidence. Please share an actual study or report or information showing it’s more dangerous.

    I agree right now is a weird in between as humans will keep looking at the road but may begin to daydream. But Austin with no one in the drivers seat shows were nearly past this in between.

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• dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t have stats, but my personal feeling is that car safety features trump full self driving.

  Eg, you are actively driving (which ensures you are engaged and dont fall asleep, etc), but if the car sees something it can react (drifting out of lane, car slows down ahead of you, person walks in road, etc).

  That seems so much safer in my opinion.

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    For the moment absolutely, that’s why the system requires your attention and will lock you out of using it fairly quickly if you are distracted. Tesla drivers on FSD are forced by their car to pay attention to the road. Surely people can see how that alone makes it safer than all of the cars that don’t know their driver is texting or whatever in a car that can’t drive itself at all.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Tesla drivers on FSD are forced by their car to pay attention to the road.

      i’ve personally seen this not to be true and it’s not hard to find videos verifying my position.

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      • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Could you please share a video showing this demonstrated on version 13.2.9? I will happily watch and admit you were right if you can find a video of the current version being easily tricked.

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    • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If it can ensure you are looking at the road, that sounds good.

      Not sure if it seems as safe as you in full operation of the car for turns etc around town, but its a good safety feature to ensure you arent distracted.

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      • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Not only can it, it is a required part of FSD. You can not operate it without it making sure your eyes are on the road. Every source looking at actual incidents per mile driven shows that FSD (and Waymo and the others) is already safer than human drivers. I’d be happy to be proven wrong on that.

        There are incidents. It’s not perfect, but right now that’s why humans must still be actively paying attention.

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• IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Did you even look at my account/post history?

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    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes.

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      Tesla autopilot performs better than humans per mile because it runs mostly on the freeway which has a far lower chance of accidents per mile than slower city areas which are more difficult to navigate.

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      • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So you admit I’m not a bot? A persistent chiefs fan is a real person.

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• Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Care to respond to my argument with reason or evidence and not resort to ad-hominem?

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      that wasn’t an ad hominem, it was an insult

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      • moeggz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Calling me stupid is attacking my character in my view but sure I mislabeled it when it was an insult. Your point?

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