Can you elaborate the regulatory part? Is it required by law to have them always connected to force push updates?
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DSN9@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
First one to build the unconnected EV where the purchaser has admin rights (and no one else), wins the race.
Unfortunately, this model is probably already deemed illegal. Regulatory capture is a beautiful thing 👀😬🙊
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 day ago
They’re a .ml idiot. Block and move on.
whimsy@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Do you have any issues to their point or are you having a bad day and decided to call people names?
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Clearly the person has issues
Soggy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hating Communists has always been an acceptable form of bigotry. You don’t have to listen to what they say, just dismiss them (and insult them!) for wanting a world that doesn’t run on money.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Someone’s an idiot here, but it’s certainly not them.
vodka@feddit.org 1 day ago
I just want a mechanical safety backup for the brakes, even non-EV new cars don’t have that :(
DSN9@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Flintstone feet breaker floor box
GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Did toyota get rid of their hand e-brake? I thought they were one of the few left that still had a manual e-brake.
vodka@feddit.org 1 day ago
None of the newer Toyotas except the 86 that I’ve been have had a proper mechanical handbrake sadly :(
GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I know that the Rav4 Hybrids have a real hand brake, at least when they first started making them. Not sure about the newest ones.
ieGod@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
That’s a horrible idea for so many scenarios. Maintenance, repairs, accidents, sales, accidental death… Yeah, no.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Admin right on the automotive parts seems like asking for trouble by default. While I’m very much in favor of owning and controlling all my devices, cars feels like weapons we put in the hand of the general public because they’re deemed safe under regulations, so… yeah.
However, an EV with a separate automotive computer that only do car stuff under strict control, connected to another one that do management, UI, entertainment, etc. that’s more open, I could see that. As long as the proprietary one have decent changelogs (that you’d have to trust, sadly) and can be updated at will with a decent UX instead of “your car’s dead this morning lol”. That sound like a viable compromise.
tengkuizdihar@programming.dev 1 day ago
if i cant use sudo on my own device, then its not my device!
waspentalive@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I have long said in regard to Microsoft Windows, “If anyone else can shutdown your computer without your permission, it is not your computer, it is theirs” - same goes for cars.
4am@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I only agree if that separation means the vehicle cannot be remotely disabled by the manufacturer; on purpose or by accident.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Any bad thing the user wants to do with the car can already be done by the person with the keys. Allowing the user more control could prevent someone including a terrorist or enemy state from doing something bad to millions of people like virtually cutting everyone’s brakes at once.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
You’d be surprised how many stupid thing users are prevented from doing by a basic software check. Making it easy to load a custom firmware downloaded from wherever do sounds like trouble brewing. Of course, I can’t foresee the future, but It’s already an issue with electric scooters, so I’m not in a hurry of seeing that coming to bigger vehicles.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
You do realize that like 95% of the planet doesn’t want something like that. They just want something they can get in go that works and that if it breaks down somebody else can fix. Most people don’t care about connected or not connected. In fact most people actually want to be connected.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
They might not want that up front, but an Internet-disconnected car that gives the owner full control doesn’t imply that it would be unreliable or hard to fix.
I’d even be ok with a connected-by-default car, as long as I have the option to disconnect it and do what I want with it, like any other computer I own. I don’t think that’s too much to ask, and I feel like it makes both audiences happy.
UnrepentantAlgebra@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Is 2025 the year of the Linux car?!?! The answer may shock you!
chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I have a used 2017 Chevy Bolt that I absolutely adore. I bet I could pretty easily disable the OnStar if I was so inclined and paranoid about it somehow getting updates. But I doubt I need to do that.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Probably as easy as pulling the fuse for the cellular card. That’s the case for a lot of these connected cars
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Here in the United States you can already build new or convert existing gasoline vehicles to be “unconnected” and in every way except possibly the battery management doing it with an EV would actually be easier.
It does cost money and take some time but probably less of both than you may think.
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Yeah I saw a guy convert an old Toyota pickup into an EV and it cost about $18,000 IIRC. Biggest expense is obviously the batteries, followed by motor and charging system. Madman kept the original 5 speed which I absolutely respect.