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Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Eq0@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Resist cultivation or have some other undesirable properties. Often low yield, short harvest, low yield, difficult picking or transporting.

  A favorite example of mine: oak’s acorns are sometimes edible. Roughly one in ten oaks produce edible acorns. They are indistinguishable from inedible ones unless you try them out - but inedible ones are fairly poisonous. The gene for edible acorns is recessive and it takes at least a decade before you know if a newly planted oak produces edible acorns or not, with a 10% probability of the former. It is just practically impossible to select for this criterion. Thus, we don’t eat acorns.

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  • danekrae@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Often low yield, short harvest, low yield, difficult picking or transporting.

    And let’s not forget, low yield.

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    • Eq0@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Let us not!

      Low yield due to overly specific conditions that are hardly met

      Low yield due to short production window

      Low yield due to long growth time

      Low yield just because

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  • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Also acorns ain’t particularly nutritious.

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  • rayyy@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not sure that acorns are inedible. They just that they need to be processed.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You just remove the tannins by soaking them, it’s not really a major problem. I tried it before, they were fine but fairly bland.

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  • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Isn’t acorn flour edible after you rinse out the toxins?

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  • Bassman1805@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Acorns are like the easiest thing to forage, though.

    They are high in tannins, which your body is pretty good at processing in reasonable quantities (they’re in tea, coffee, and wine), but many acorns DO have unreasonable quantities of them and they can cause organ damage. Luckily, tannins are water soluble, so you just need to crack them open and soak them in water for a few days, then rinse and they’re safe to eat.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Let the deer and squirrels and wild pigs eat the acorns, then eat the deer and squirrels and wild pigs. Easy!

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  • someacnt@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I thought we eat acorns after processing them? There are cuisines which involve acorns as main ingredient.

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• mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I mean, I think that goes back to the whole “industrial farming” point. If it can’t be farmed, it won’t be commercially available. But there are plenty of plants that you could scavenge, if you knew what to look for.

  One of my personal favorite niche plants is osha root. It’s one of the best cures for a sore throat. It tastes a little bit like dirty root beer, and it’ll numb your entire throat when you chew on it. Native Americans kept some around for medicine. You can even grind it up and smear it on shallow scrapes to numb the area. You can find it in teas like Throat Coat, which is a sort of secret weapon for performers and public speakers whenever they have a sore throat.

  But it can’t be commercially farmed, because it exclusively grows in the Rocky Mountains where a specific type of fungus helps it thrive. It isn’t commercially viable to market to the masses like throat lozenges, (even though it is just as effective in reducing sore throats) because it has to be scavenged.

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  • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If it can’t be farmed there cannot be enough for everyone, but it will be exclusive to a select few. How they are selected is irrelevant.

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    • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      My point wasn’t that commercial farming is bad. With 8 billion people on the planet, it’s a necessity. My point was simply that scavenging to supplant your needs should be more encouraged, and the knowledge should be passed down.

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      • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Most people live in large cities where this is not feasible for everyone at once. Also transportation is expensive.

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    there are plenty of plants that you could scavenge

    But what happens when “you” becomes a million people? A hundred million people? A billion people? Where I live, we can’t even have a nice field of flowers because a hundred Instagram models will trample and ruin it before spring is over. Scavenging and foraging literally cannot feed the 7 billion human mouths on this planet.

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    • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      8 billion now.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Our current style of industrialized agriculture isn’t viable long-term (meaning: millenia); too much damage to the ecosystem or too much effort with mixed crops to pay off. Either south-american style farming-with-scavenging or industrialized vertical farming is the way to go, imo.

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• sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Isn’t that what they meant by industrial agriculture preventing widespread use?

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  • Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I think the point is it doesn’t prevent wide spread use. If a plant resists cultivation then it’s not worth it to try to farm, either industrially or in your back yard. Especially if you’re trying to farm for sustenance.

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• muhyb@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Lamb’s lettuce superiority! They don’t need cultivation, grow everywhere even if you don’t want them to grow, and they are quite edible, also delicious.

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