Every fascist movement needs a Führer and they usually fall apart when the Führer is gone. I’m not saying everything will be fine once he dies but it’ll be a lot harder for the Nazis to galvanize their base the way Trump does.
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Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Here’s the thing. Everyone here is SOOOOO ready to celebrate. And I get it. I do. But everyone needs to remember that as much as it feels like trump is the problem, he’s not. He’s just the face and the voice of the problem. He’s just the branding.
With or without him, project 2025 continues. ICE will continue doing what they’ve been doing. Some other asshole WILL take trumps place, and literally nothing changes. The problem remains.
These aren’t even NEW problems. Far from it. The ideas of in groups controlling out groups probably goes back to caveman days.
So, yeah. Celebrate his demise. Go ahead. Nothing wrong with that. Just know the fight is NOT over.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pringles@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
They don’t need to anymore though. The tools of repression are in place and whoever would succeed Trump, Vance I suppose, would wield those tools much harder to cement his place. Examples are Stalin taking over after Lenin or Maduro after Chavez. It will get so much worse with Trump gone and a less popular figure following in his footsteps. It’s the dictator playbook 101.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, considering all the rules the current joke of a Supreme Court have recently rewritten handing the Oval Office way more power than it should ever have, I have to agree.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I think the broader point is that if he were to kick the bucket it would be a major oppurunity to divide his movement. Celebrating his death would just galvanize and unify them more. With a little discipline the seeds of doubt could be sown so that the nation is headed on the right path.
Even if MAGA was divided into two factions it would lose substantial power. If he were to pass away, the people and media would need to unify and slam on the Epstein files hard, since that seems to be the most divisive issue in the group and he would not be alive to block it. If posthumously the truth comes out about his misdeeds, MAGA would be divided and lost.
This is an opportunity that cannot be looked over. If and when his advanced age gets to him, the temperature needs to be increased and pressure needs to be put on his syncophants (some of whom wanted it releases previously) to make them public.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
No, he is the movement. If he disappeared, people wouldn’t have to pretend to like him and would form different coalitions. Don’t underestimate the impact of a charismatic leader.
If Hitler died after taking France, the war would’ve gone very differently. Maybe they skip the Balkan campaign and go straight to the USSR, or maybe they keep the peace with the USSR and the US doesn’t have an eastern ally. Maybe the US attacks Japan first before dealing with Germany because the new German leader establishes some form of diplomacy with Roosevelt, meaning N. Korea doesn’t get Soviet support.
Leaders are important, especially populists.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The problem is that even in this wonderful fantasy, Vance assumes the presidency for the remainder of the term. I agree that without Trump, there’s no way the GOP wins the next election since they’ll likely collapse to infighting over the power vacuum, but none of that matters if there are no more elections. and realistically, if Vance is put in power, that will be his first and highest priority.
licheas@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Trump may not be the last boss, but he is a boss, and I’m going to celebrate when he’s finally gone
Though, I’m also going to wonder who got him first, the green berets… seals… marine Recon. maybe those coast guard guys that use barrets to stop gofast boats in their wake… maybe the Chairforce CSAR guys… maybe the Space Force peeps… with their space laser…
So many options so little time.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m going with Big Mac attack.
*checks notesĵ
Oh, sorry. I’m pronouncing that wrong. I meant to say heart attack…from eating Big Macs.
licheas@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’ve been floating the idea of starting a gofundme to get him a lifetime supply of hamberders and fries.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I’m not going to celebrate the end of the problem, but the end of one of the worst offenders in public. And that I don’t have to watch his shitty face and hear his puke-like voice anymore. I’m going to celebrate the demise or incarceration of every single one of those assholes. And I’m not even on the same continent as them.
hzl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Branding is the whole thing. Look at the hats. Without the branding, they have far less to work with.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Possibly the only thing I can maybe hope for is that the next person to take the throne cannot command the same MAGA charisma (whatever the fuck that is) to unite MAGAts the same way and it furthers in-party fractioning and infighting.
That or so many people with their snowflake egos will want to use it as an opportunity to move up that they’ll destroy each other.
AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I hate calling whatever the fuck trump has “charisma.” If I knew nothing about him and met him at a bar I would still want to punch him in his smug face. He’s an asshole and so clearly an absolute idiot… And yet Maga eats it all up.
So I agree, so much damage has been done, but I don’t see Vance or anyone else commanding the same unwavering authority. I hope we’re not wrong.
Zier@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
MAGA does not like Vance they way they worship President Felon. MAGA will crash and too many people will in-fight to be the head scum bag. It will all blow up.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Yeah I hesitated to use that word, lol. But if it were JDV to take up the scepter, I think at least some significant chunk of people would falter and lose step.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
“You’ve got that Trump riz”
Take that back, or I’ll break your fingers!
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not like you said “jizz”…
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
They’re probably too old for the Trump jizz.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Just gotta hope someone with as the same charisma as bloomberg in the democratic’s primary could take the reigns!
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
Progressives like myself don’t like him because he’s mostly just another corporate Democrat, but I have to admit that I can see Newsome taking up that mantle and being somewhat effective with the less extreme of the MAGAt base.