Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,
Comment on Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.
Xia@jlai.lu 9 months ago
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
Niiru@feddit.de 9 months ago
So they had “innovative marketing”, ok.
bigschnitz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
People always down vote when I point that out as well lol. Windows mobile was already moving towards icon based UIs pre iPhone, so while the UI was a definite improvement it wasn’t the revolution it’s made out to be. The iPhone 1 had no app store or 3g so was not good for emails and, back in 2007 when flash still mattered, couldn’t access most of the Internet where windows phone could. I’m pretty sure it was successful purely based on the iPods popularity, at least until the iPhone 3gs and app store came out and it iPhone became arguably a better smartphone than those that came before.
HellAwaits@lemm.ee 9 months ago
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
Translation: “I blindly hate Apple and I have no idea what I’m talking about.”
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Um… I’m on a Macbook right now and I have an iPhone.
BobKerman3999@feddit.it 9 months ago
Not for anyone that knew about mobiles…
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yeah bruh, you could have had a super fucking revolutionary sidekick, Windows PDA missing capacitive touch, of if you were really special a blackberry!
The mental gymnastics of you people.
BobKerman3999@feddit.it 9 months ago
No dude, there were already symbian touchscreen devices on the market
June@lemm.ee 9 months ago
i was working in mobile at the time, and it was my job to keep up with the leading tech. i was using a Palm Treo when the iPhone was released, which was arguably the most advanced PDA phone at the time with blackberry being the primary competitor.
i vividly remember watching the announcement from the iphone and being shaken with how the device worked. the fact that you interact with it without a stylus, the highest resolution screen available on a PDA phone, combining the functionality of an ipod, phone, and rich HTML internet browsing device, and the fucking triple layered capacitive multi-touch touch screen were absolutely revolutionary. to say anything else is revisionist history. no one else had anything remotely like it.
and anyone who knew anything about mobiles at the time knew it was revolutionary and that the world was changing that day.
Johanno@feddit.de 9 months ago
Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used
nxdefiant@startrek.website 9 months ago
You’re correct, but it’s important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It’s a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they’re pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it’s likely be dead in the water.
Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.
Johanno@feddit.de 9 months ago
Correct. I wish there were open source chips in this category. Not that anyone could afford to produce it, but I believe Software for a chip with a new instruction set would be more adapted if you could look everything up
sndrtj@feddit.nl 9 months ago
RISC-V is open source. Lots of boards are moving to RISC-V.
dustyData@lemmy.world 9 months ago
There are, Risc-V has been hard at work with several partners (including Bosch and Qualcomm) to bring comparable RISC SoCs to consumer markets (there are already industrial offerings). But it’s not fast nor cheap to do it. It also has a major drawback that’s never talked about that, unlike x86, SoCs become obsolete way sooner for a much higher upfront cost. So, an upgradeable Risc-V option is kind of an elusive idea, for most of the computing power and energy consumption advantages come from the System on a chip design. Today people expect more storage space than ever. Software support is also the worst point right now, a problem that Apple addressed by bearing the brunt of the port and compatibility work. But it’s not so simple for other vendors who have to rely on third parties to make their software available in their platform.
Why spend more in a new laptop that is barely just as powerful and runs none of the software you want? Apple cult clout is the only thing leading the sales of the Apple Silicon. And software developers are not interested on porting their software to a platform with no users.
On the other hand Risc-V has only existed since 2015, so it’s massive strides and advances are actually quite impressive. And with more governments looking to become independent from Chinese transistors we might be looking at a new processor arch era, though only after a short growing pains period that we are in right now.
Fredol@lemmy.world 9 months ago
[deleted]caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
You’re right.
Apple is the first company to ever try rounded corners.Fredol@lemmy.world 9 months ago
[deleted]caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Sure. Let’s talk about Steve Wozniak.
bigschnitz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Apple was literally founded and initially successful off Steve jobs monetizing Woz’s genius. It is not at all a stretch to claim Steve Jobs never innovated a thing.
In modern apple, of course they are far more likely to buy innovative technologies and fund development or copy competitors. Why would they spend money funding R&D when they can more cheaply buy out worthwhile concepts?
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 9 months ago
In every way except for starters their UI is absolutely dog shit
BetaBlake@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yeah wtf is apple innovating?
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Coincidentally, USB C. Just not on their mobile devices.
They were some of the first to ship a laptop with USB C, and they went balls out.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Not coincidentally. Ironically.
MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
No coincidence, Apple helped design USB-C. They have been slowly transitioning for years but everyone thinks the EU “made” them switch.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Are you serious with that comment? EU definitely made them switch.
photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
USBC has been around for years now, so why not make the switch before they’re legally required to, if not to keep users on proprietary cables for just a little longer?
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The EU probably made them switch.
HellAwaits@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life.
That is absolute bullshit. Sure he was an asshole to his co-workers and even his family, but I’m so tired of this false narrative that acts like Jobs is completely overrated.
Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…oh wait they didn’t steal that. Remember when they stole MacOS from…oh wait…they didn’t do that either.
Stop being an armchair expert on something you have zero clue about. JFC.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 9 months ago
‘Good artists copy; great artists steal’ -Steve Jobs, proudly bragging about stealing ideas.
Such as the mouse which they stole from Xerox. There are many examples of this for people who don’t have apple dick in their mouths
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Remember when they stole MacOS from…
XWindows? Was that what you were going to say?
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…
Wow, you are really digging the bottom of the barrel…
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I bet you also think it’s the year of the Linux desktop 🙄
elbarto777@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.
ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The lightning port is USB 2. The 15 is USB 2, powered by the same USB 2 chipset as the 14 pro. The only difference is the connector not the cables or encoding.
The 15 pro has USB 3, which is faster than the lighting port ever was.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Oh, I’ve been schooled. Thanks.
June@lemm.ee 9 months ago
lmao what?
TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com 9 months ago
They can’t. It’s clearly stated that the USB connector is still limited to the lightning speed.
SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Apparently the Pro version has USB 3.0. Still mediocre compared to new Android phones (not just the flagships) that are pushing Thunderbolt.
Hooking up your android phone to an ultrawide with built-in dock is still funny, but not very useful.
TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com 9 months ago
I did it once with a Windows Phone. Bar the novelty thing, it is not something I found useful
pedal2dametal@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What android phone supports thunderbolt?
SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I got USB 3.2+ confused with Thunderbolt, since the terms are used intermixed. I mean USB alt-mode (display and peripherals)
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 9 months ago
There is no such thing as ‘lightning speed’. It’s just a connector, not a data communication standard. The non-pro iPhone 15 uses the same SoC as last year’s pro models, which happens to have an USB 2.0 controller. The new SoC used in the 15 Pro models have a 10 gbit USB 3.0 controller on board.
TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com 9 months ago
“Still limited to the same speed of the model using the lightning connector” did not have the same ring to it.
Did not know they finally moved to a usb3 chipset on the pro when I commented, good to hear.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.
To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.
TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.
wmassingham@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yeah. The man was a piece of shit in several ways, but he was also good at what he did.