We need open bootloader and drivers for phones to make any real progress on this. Thin is what’s holding back all initiatives.
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Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Its about time an open standard happened for mobile OSes.
axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
and many phone manfacterers, issuers(non google, samsung, or IOs) IS CONSIDERING locking down thier phones.
Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I wonder if the generic tablets with made up Asian sounding names that you see on the big marketplaces could work? They could have slightly larger or smaller screens if they’re cheaper than current phone screens, and could have Linux with something like Signal on them for calling.
They’d probably be lower quality to begin with, but could potentially get better if people start to buy them. They seem to have generic hardware, so might be able to offer the drivers and unlockable bootloaders too :)
Tower@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I’d be worried about vulnerabilities.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
the best outcome for the short term would be to forcibly take away android from google and give it to an independent foundation. as I heard antitrust proceedings in the usa were heading that way a few months ago
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
not with trump around.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
And he’s very easily bribed which corporations have caught onto.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Such things are solvable with a bribe in the USA.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
So basically remove Google integration from AOSP?
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I mean taking away the development access to the project. what do you mean? google based captive portal checks and the similar hidden “gems”?
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 months ago
FuriOS?
Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not bad, it looks like I have to buy their phone though. Which is not cheap, or performant guessing by the specs despite what the advertising says.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I saw someone else recommending it. I only hope they take this opportunity to release the OS for everyone, but since they’re for-profit, I doubt they will.
toddestan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Interesting. I’ve not heard of FuriOS, but if it actually can be used with US carriers, makes calls and supports SMS/MMS, and can do VoLTE that’s a actually a pretty big deal.
tomalley8342@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Whenever you see a linux phone advertise both security and android app support, you should be wary, since it’s likely waydroid or a waydroid fork, and their design goal of running android in a container instead of a VM has lead to some interesting security decisions.
cabbage@piefed.social 2 months ago
I would be very happy if anyone could explain to me in a simple and coherent way why I, as a normal user who am aware of what I am doing on my device and am not targeted by any group that's out to get me, would need a "hardened malloc", "secure app spawning", "vanadium browser and webview", or a "hardened PDF viewer". The last of these four is the only thing that means anything to me, and it sounds dumb. Yeah, I know PDFs can be dangerous if you open random shit, but come on.
If I run Waydroid it's only to get my banking app (trusted source) and Whatsapp (not a trusted source but not directly malware either) working. I hardly need their hardened PDF reader.
tomalley8342@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root. If you don’t care about that kind of thing, or don’t think that could ever happen to you, that’s certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Still using Android 11? Holy hell.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn’t even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can’t customize your own charging curves, you’re locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together.
What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn’t have allowed you to do already?
candyman337@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s what Android was and they keep trying to undo that any way they can
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 months ago
We need a new one that isn’t made by a for-profit company that only was good to get total market saturation before flipping the enshittification switch to maximize those profits.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
why do we need a new one? can’t android be salvaged? lots of things have been solved already in a way that makes a relatively good foundation.
grue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
All the non-Google entities that build stuff on Android need to start banding together instead of siloing themselves. If AOSP is being closed, they need to create a non-profit replacement for it.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Makes me curious if they think their monopoly or whatever they were called cases making them split their browser are going to go though. If you are going to have to sell parts of the company, now would be the time to hammer home any last minute bad things that would make the companies more profitable. Shows higher income for the sale, and gets it out of the way so the new purchaser doesn’t look like the ones who did it, but rather the ones who will make announcements on how they will review things to make them better for the user base.
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I disagree. Google has always been a thinly veiled Microsoft. A wolf in sheeps clothing. They embrace, extend, extinguish. It’s the same thing.
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 2 months ago
All corporations suck fucking donkey dick because consumers are morons.