This is a good point, but the issue is that vendors have abused this need by not just pushing security updates, but also regular rewrites that make the products more invasive/full of language model shit - Exhibit A being anything at all from Microsoft
Comment on My petty gripe: forced software updates just make everything worse
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
No one remembers how vulnerable windows server and windows desktop OS’s were before they revamped updates?
Forced updates are great. The internet is safer.
br3d@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
or changing their product from a one time purchase to a subscription model, I predict there’s gonna be a lot more of that with this new forced app updates change.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
You can’t maintain security and feature changes separately long term.
gian@lemmy.grys.it 4 hours ago
And why not ? Care to explain ?
In a sane development model there is not any technical problem to do it.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 11 hours ago
Entirely agree.
Ui changes for the sake of pointing out how many ui changes you shipped for your annual review is what is making people upset.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 hours ago
Debian: am I a joke to you?
(security upgrades are separate from everything else)
whaleross@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Security packed and system updates is one thing.
The constant reorganization of functions and apps and layouts and compatibility is a very different one.
It is a problem that the operating system is controlled by the largest apps and service company that make money from user data in various forms and keep pushing their business model in every device core operations.
And fuck fuck fuck that Google keeps trying to force Gemeni in every update. Let me keep using Google Assistant and stop making it worse by stripping out functionality or replacing shortcuts to Gemeni. Gemeni can still not do the very few things I want my voice assistant to do, namely set alarms and play music on whatever music streaming service I prefer to use.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 16 hours ago
No one remembers how vulnerable windows server and windows desktop OS’s were before they revamped updates?
I remember how much it sucked when ignorant users ignored updates forever and MS didn’t really seem to give much of a shit about security anyway, yes.
MS is a great choice if you want to borrow a computer that someone else controls. Less so if you want a computer that is actually yours.
sykaster@feddit.nl 2 hours ago
For most people it won’t matter, they just want something that works.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 hour ago
Thanks, been reading those words from various commenters in a browser window on my Linux desktop for longer than some people at Lemmy have probably been alive. But it’s always nice to hear familiar phrases again.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Until they force an update that bricks your device because they want money from you upgrading hardware
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Why did they write such shit software in the first place? No, they don’t get off the hook.
JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Processors change, libraries become deprecated or vulnerable, design paradigms shift, and new integrations become possible that weren’t there when the application first launched. Should we blame old house builders for using asbestos when they didn’t know how poorly that would end up?
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Processors change? Non-sequitur. Spectre an its ilk arrived on the scene at least a decade after MS had developed a reputation for shipping shit code.
Libraries become deprecated or vulnerable? Non-sequitur. Whose libraries? Who deprecated them? Remember, this is a company that personified Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. If they picked shitty vendors for libraries and did no due diligence on that source code, why are the externalities foisted upon users? Also, libraries don’t “become vulnerable” through some magical process. Either the bug was there from the beginning, or a shitty change was introduced and not caught.
Design paradigms shift? And this is an excuse for writing shitty code? I don’t buy it.
New integrations require new code and that means taking into consideration the new shape of the system. Sounds like they did a really shitty job of that and they make it the user’s problem.
Should we blame the old house builders for using asbestos? Unequivocally, yes. Those shitheads knew or should have known. Don’t believe me? Here is a handy link: www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0169500224003623
Do note the decades between when it was understood the shit was dangerous and when the decline as a building material happened.
So, no, MS still does not get a pass.
gian@lemmy.grys.it 4 hours ago
Should we blame the old house builders for using asbestos?
Unequivocally, yes. Those shitheads knew or should have known. Don’t believe me? Here is a handy link: www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0169500224003623
Do note the decades between when it was understood the shit was dangerous and when the decline as a building material happened.
I suppose he was referring to the ones that used it before it was understood.
cygnus@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
All software is either shit to begin with or becomes shit when it gets big enough. If a Linux distro were forced to maintain as much legacy cruft as Windows it would be shit too.
Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
I see you have yet to meetmy old friend Debian, who was supporting i386 until 2 weeks ago, and includes a much broader library of softwate than Microsoft has ever maintained.
cygnus@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
includes a much broader library of softwate than Microsoft has ever maintained.
This is true, but isn’t what I was referring to. The problem MS are facing is not what they themselves have built, but the huge number of apps that other businesses have built over the years which prevent MS from rewriting or deprecating many parts of the bloated zombie that is now Windows.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
False dichotomy. That was a business decision with externalities foisted upon users.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Let’s look at your code from 20+ years ago?
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Go ahead, bro. It’s on CPAN.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Ok whatever dude, you need to provide more details than “go ahead.” 😏
Zykino@programming.dev 14 hours ago
Are you the one user of this OS Server side? /s
sanpo@sopuli.xyz 1 hour ago
Yeah, I remember, now we still have Windows being vulnerable, but in addition we also have untested changes pushed automatically to paying customers.
Forced updates are great!