Comment on Codeberg: army of AI crawlers are extremely slowing us; AI crawlers learned how to solve the Anubis challenges.

londos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Did you just say use the words “useful” and “bitcoin” in the same sentence? o_O

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  • polle@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The saddest part is, we thought crypto was the biggest waste of energy ever and then the LLMs entered the chat.

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    • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      At least LLMs produce something, even if it’s slop, all crypto does is… What does crypto even do again?

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      • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        It gives people with already too much money a way to invest by gambling without actually helping society.

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      • xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Crypto does drug sales and fraud!

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      • SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Blockchain m8 gg

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Monero allows you to make untraceable transactions. That can be useful.

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    • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      ouch. I never made that comparison, but that is on point.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bro couldn’t even bring himself to mention protein folding because that’s too socialist I guess.

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    • londos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re 100% right. I just grasped at the first example I could think of where the crawlers could do free work. Yours is Mich better. Left is best.

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    • andallthat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      LLMs can’t do protein folding. A specifically-trained Machine Learning model called AlphaFold did. Here’s the paper.

      Developing, training and fine tuning that model was a research effort led by two guys who got a Nobel for it. Alphafold can’t do conversation or give you hummus recipes, it knows shit about the structure of human language but can identify pattern in the domain where it has been specifically and painstakingly trained.

      It wasn’t “hey chatGPT, show me how to fold a protein” is all I’m saying and the “superhuman reasoning capabilities” of current LLMs are still falling ridiculously short of even sinpler problems.

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      • patatahooligan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The crawlers for LLM are not themselves LLMs.

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      • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        They can’t bitcoin mine either, so technical feasibility wasn’t the goal of my reply

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      • mobotsar@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Crawlers aren’t LLMs; they can do arbitrary computations (whatever the target demands to access resources).

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    • NeilBru@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey dipshits:

      The number of mouth-breathers who think every fucking “AI” is a fucking LLM is too damn high.

      • Every artificial intelligence is not a deep neural network algorithm.
      • Every deep neural network algorithm is not a generative adversarial network.
      • Every generative adversarial network is not a language model.
      • Every language model is not a large language model.

      Fucking fart-sniffing twats.

      $ . /end-rant.sh

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  • londos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I went back and added “malicious” because I knew it wasn’t useful in reality. I just wanted to express the AI crawlers doing free work. But you’re right, bitcoin sucks.

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    • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To be fair: it’s a great tool for scamming people (think ransomware) :/

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      • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Great for money laundering.

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• T156@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not without making real users also mine bitcoin/avoiding the site because their performance tanked.

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• nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The Monero community spent a long time trying to find a “useful PoW” function. The problem is that most computations that are useful are not also easy to verify as correct. javascript optimization was one direction that got pursued pretty far.

  But at the end of the day, a crypto that actually intends to withstand attacks from major governments requires a system that is decentralized, trustless, and verifiable, and the only solutions that have been found to date involve algorithms for which a GPU or even custom ASIC confers no significant advantage over a consumer-grade CPU.

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• 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Anubis does that. You may’ve seen it already.

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