To be fair, win 11 is more or less win 10 just with a shittier UI and even more intrusive bullshit.
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mycodesucks@lemmy.world 2 days ago
He’d probably have an easier time with the lawsuit if instead of appealing to upgrade logic, he just went with, I don’t know…
THE TIME MICROSOFT PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WINDOWS 10 WOULD BE THE LAST NUMBERED VERSION AND THAT THEY’D NEVER NEED TO UPGRADE OS VERSION AGAIN.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 1 day ago
dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
No, they never did. Yes, it was all over the news, but they literally didn’t. Go be angry at media for making stuff up. You don’t have to believe me, go ahead and find that announcement yourself. You won’t because there was never such an announcement.
Notice how even the article you linked doesn’t give a full quote? It just quotes someone saying “last version” without any context of the sentence it was used in? I will give you the full quote where that comes form. Someone asked a Microsoft employee what they are currently working on, and the answer was:
”Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”
It is obvious from context “last version” meant “latest version” here. And that misreading of a quote, conveniently not included in most articles, is the only source for all these news. No announcement. No journalist actually asking Microsoft about it. Just a fleeting comment by one Microsoft employee that obviously meant something else, in an answer about something else, but why let that get in the way of a good story.
The company said it had yet to decide on what to call the operating system beyond Windows 10.
And the exact same article you linked confirms Microsoft is still deciding on the name for the next Windows? Which would make no sense if there was no next Windows?
“There will be no Windows 11,” warned Steve Kleynhans, a research vice-president at analyst firm Gartner.
There will be no Windows 11, says some guy who doesn’t work at Microsoft.
And then a bunch of cherry picked quotes about continous updates being a good thing. Yep, continous updates, just like we got in Windows Vista, and that have nothing to do with there not being new Windows versions.
Modern journalism is useless.
Xzyer@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
It’s really not hard to find the original statement from Microsoft, which was made by a Microsoft employee.
At the 2015 Ignite conference, Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the “last version of Windows”, a statement reflecting the company’s intent to apply the software as a service business model to Windows, with new versions and updates to be released over an indefinite period.[68][69][70] In 2021, however, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 would be succeeded on compatible hardware by Windows 11—and that Windows 10 support will end on October 14, 2025, marking a departure from what had been dubbed “Windows as a service”.[71][72]
dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Did you even read my comment?
overload@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Wish I could upvote you more. So sick of hearing about the “W10 is the last version of Windows” story.
theluckyone@discuss.online 1 day ago
“Modern journalism is useless”, but when Jerry Nixon said “last”, you’re telling us he really meant “latest.”
Go on, pull the other one. No really, it’s got bells on it.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 23 hours ago
Yes, the least a journalist could do, if they really thought that a developer talking about changes to notifications accidentally let slip a huge announcement, would be to confirm it with him, or anyone else at Microsoft. But that would make the story go away.
biofaust@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
And that’s why if you open the command line in Windows 11 you will read:
10.0.26200.5742
Et voilà!
communism@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
That wasn’t legally binding.
Shayeta@feddit.org 2 days ago
That was advertised.
communism@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I doubt that would hold up in court as false advertising given the significant time gap between them marketing Win 10 that way and them releasing Win 11.
codenul@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Its funny since when the .iso for Windows 11 first became available, it would state you were installing Windows 10 or even Windows Server edition but after installing, it would be Windows 11
Window build numbers are still Windows 10.xxxxxx
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s a free upgrade. Bitching about the version is insane. It was a marketing change they turned around on. It still meant you get a free upgrade which used to cost money.
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not if your PC doesn’t support some arbitrary requirements. I can’t upgrade because of the TPM requirement. There are ways to get around it. But at the same time Windows 11 isn’t really something I want to upgrade to. It’s got a bunch of crap I don’t need or want. Not that Windows 10 didn’t. Windows 11 is just worse and I’ve drawn a line.
I have to use Windows 11 for work so I know what I’m missing. Nothing. Well, the screenshot button being mapped to the snipping tool is nice. But there is already a shortcut for the snipping tool.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
TPM isn’t arbitrary, it’s the path to a new from of CPU embedded, digital rights management that will marry your software to your cpu and make it non-transferable. The end goal being some successor of pluton where all code you download is encrypted and you can’t ever see it.
You won’t be able to jailbreak your PC in the future, just like 99% of smartphones.
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Absolute nonsense 🤣
db2@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Hail the corporate god! Repent, for the end of Windows 10 is near!
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Judging from your username, you also like those built-in AI features.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 2 days ago
Win 11 is a downgrade with forced ms accounts, more ads, more distractions (tabloid “news”, weather, more ads, Microsoft own product ads) added to task bar, edge and notifications. On an OS I already paid money for!
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 1 day ago
And? What does that have to do with a lawsuit? You’re going to go into court and argue that? It’s amazing how hard it is for some to stay on topic.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
You’re the one coming in here with some bullshit argument. Nobody was complaining about the price of the upgrade until you came along and went off topic.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 1 day ago
Dude I just listed some of the reasons WHY people want to keep on win10, and try to avoid being forced onto 11 - hence the lawsuit.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Because MS went back on their promise that Win10 would be the last, you can no longer trust anything they say.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Nixon wasn’t speaking authoritatively there, I believe both he and M$ clarified that. And the “correlating” announcement was more “we will be continuously updating windows 10” unlike the assumed by many people to mean “perpetually” which is just silly.
You’re telling me you expected windows 10 to remain forever the last Windows version? Maybe if they decided to rename the OS moving forward.
I suppose you could take the stance of it just becoming versioned in the same way Linux distros are, but then you just get left being on an old version of Windows 10.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 2 days ago
No, I didn’t expect that, which is why it was stupid to say it in the first place. You can’t turn this around and put it on the customer to have to read between the lines what the business is trying to actually say. How about, the multi-billion dollar company that has entire buildings full of lawyers doesn’t make claims that it can’t back up?
I’m not saying it’s right to expect that the Windows operating system was never going to have to have a paid upgrade again, but it was also stupid and wrong to make the claim that it wouldn’t. That’s on them. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to lie to their customers and then later claim they didn’t mean it. And furthermore, why are you taking it upon yourself to clean up their mess for them? You think if you were in trouble because of something stupid you said, Microsoft is going to come to your aid? Is it being fair? To company that wouldn’t care if they accidentally bankrupted you with a forced update?
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Again, an employee speaking off the cuff in an unofficial way isn’t “the company making claims.”
If this was the janitorial staff, would you have taken them at their word? An intern who waddled on stage? Granted Nixon had a little more authority within the company than either of those individuals, but he was by no means in a position that anyone paying attention would take his word on this particular statement.
The issue here is that the media took this “random” employees word as gospel and without getting clarification ran with dozens of “ThiS Is tHe lASt vErSIoN oF wINdOwS!” clickbait articles. All fact checking thrown out the window, no proper follow up. They just spun an entire story out of his off the cuff statement.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 19 hours ago
Son of a bitch, your profile pic got me blowing on my screen.
Nice work.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
That’s basically how Linux works, especially if you use a rolling release distro like Arch, openSUSE Tumbleweed, or Fedora Silverblue.
Honestly, if Windows followed a similar policy, I think people would be less interested in alternatives. Perhaps charge for access to new features, drop support for older hardware, etc, but let people keep using it if they like it.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
There’s nothing that would change here other than the name of what’s installed. People would still be unable to update to the new version.