While you aren't wrong about human nature. I'd say you're wrong about systems. How would the same thing happen under an anarchist system? Or under an actual communist (not Marxist-Leninist) system? Which account for human nature and focus to use it against itself.
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Ofiuco@piefed.ca 5 hours agoWrong.
The problem are humans, the same things that happen under capitalism can (and would) happen under any other system because humans are the ones who make these things happen or allow them to happen.
Eldritch@piefed.world 4 hours ago
AceTKen@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
I’ll answer. Because some people see these systems as “good” regardless of political affiliation and want them furthered and see any cost as worth it. If an anarchist / communist sees these systems in a positive light, then they will absolutely try and use them at scale. These people absolutely exist and you could find many examples of them on Lemmy. Try DB0.
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 4 hours ago
It will happen regardless because we are not machines, we don't follow theory, laws, instructions or whatever a system tells us to perfectly and without little changes here and there.
Eldritch@piefed.world 3 hours ago
I see, so you don't understand. Or simply refuse to engage with what was asked.
pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
I think you are underestimating how adaptable humans are. We absolutely conform to the systems that govern us, and they are NOT equally likely to produce bad outcomes.
JargonWagon@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Every system eventually ends with someone corrupted with power and greed wanting more. Putin and his oligrachs, Trump and his oligarchs… Xi isn’t great, but at least I haven’t heard news about the Uyghurs situation for a couple of years now. Hope things are better there nowadays and people aren’t going missing anymore just for speaking out against their government.
Tja@programming.dev 5 hours ago
Can, would… and did. The list of environmental disasters in the Soviet is long and intense.
zeca@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
Problems would exist in any system, but not the same problems. Each system has its set of problems and challenges. Just look at history, problems change. Of course you can find analogies between problems, but their nature changes with our systems. Hunger, child mortality, pollution, having no free time, war, censorship, mass surveilence,… these are not constant through history. They happen more or less depending on the social systems in place, which vary constantly.