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Deflated0ne@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• Ofiuco@piefed.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Wrong.
  The problem are humans, the same things that happen under capitalism can (and would) happen under any other system because humans are the ones who make these things happen or allow them to happen.

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  • zeca@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Problems would exist in any system, but not the same problems. Each system has its set of problems and challenges. Just look at history, problems change. Of course you can find analogies between problems, but their nature changes with our systems. Hunger, child mortality, pollution, having no free time, war, censorship, mass surveilence,… these are not constant through history. They happen more or less depending on the social systems in place, which vary constantly.

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  • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    While you aren't wrong about human nature. I'd say you're wrong about systems. How would the same thing happen under an anarchist system? Or under an actual communist (not Marxist-Leninist) system? Which account for human nature and focus to use it against itself.

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    • Ofiuco@piefed.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It will happen regardless because we are not machines, we don't follow theory, laws, instructions or whatever a system tells us to perfectly and without little changes here and there.

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      • pebbles@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think you are underestimating how adaptable humans are. We absolutely conform to the systems that govern us, and they are NOT equally likely to produce bad outcomes.

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      • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I see, so you don't understand. Or simply refuse to engage with what was asked.

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    • AceTKen@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ll answer. Because some people see these systems as “good” regardless of political affiliation and want them furthered and see any cost as worth it. If an anarchist / communist sees these systems in a positive light, then they will absolutely try and use them at scale. These people absolutely exist and you could find many examples of them on Lemmy. Try DB0.

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      • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        And the point of anarchist or actual communist systems is that such scale would be miniscule. Not massive national or unanswerable state scales.

        And yes, I'm an anarchist. I know DB0 and their instance and generally agree with their stance - because it would allow any one of us to effectively advocate against it if we desired to.

        There would be no tech broligarchy forcing things on anyone. They'd likely all be hanged long ago. And no one would miss them as they provide nothing of real value anyway.

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Can, would… and did. The list of environmental disasters in the Soviet is long and intense.

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• SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Rather, our problem is that we live in a world where the strongest will survive, and the strongest does not mean the smart… So alas we will always be in complete shit until we disappear.

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  • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s a pathetic, defeatist world view. Yeah, we’re victims of our circumstances, but we can make the world a better place than what we were raised in.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You can try, and you should try. But some handful of generations ago, some assholes were in the right place at the right time and struck it rich. The ones that figured out generational wealth ended up with a disproportionate amount of power. The formula to use money to make more money was handed down, coddled, and protected to keep the rich and powerful in power. Even 100 Luigi’s wouldn’t even make the tiniest dent in the oligarch pyramid as others will just swoop in and consume their part.

      Any lifelong pursuit you have to make the world a better place than you were raised in will be wiped out with a scribble of black Sharpie on Ministry of Truth letterhead.

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    • SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well, you can believe that there is a chance, but there is none. It can only be created with sweat and blood. There are no easy ways, you know, and sometimes there are none at all, and sometimes even creating one seems like a miracle.

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