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theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 8 months agoPeople would probably be more supportive of your cause if you didn’t overly exaggerate in the most extreme and incorrect ways
How do you think cows make milk on large, industrial scales?
Do you think they’re always producing milk? Or that the industry switched cows out 1 by 1 as each and every one stops making milk?
If you don’t the answer to these important, fundamental questions, you are living an ignorant life
Dairy cows are artificially inseminated once per year.
Cows produce more milk if they’re forcibly impregnated every year. Supporting cow milk is supporting rape, this is a fact.
yeah, we just let the bull do his thing and the family dairy worked fine until we sold it in the 90s. where you getting your info because I lived it?
Adding “This is a fact” doesn’t make it a fact, sadly. Unless you’re in the US.
Look, I don’t disagree with your point necessarily, but you’re not winning over literally anyone in this thread. It’s just not happening.
Nobody ever has been convinced that dairy is rape and meat is murder by some Lemmy user saying “dairy is rape” and following up with “because it is”.
Most obviously, your primary argument is consequentialism, which many people just don’t see as a valid form of ethics. Many people subscribe to deontology instead, and so they don’t see it as rape because they are not obtaining sexual gratification from artificial insemination or drinking milk.
You’re telling me motive makes a bad thing okay to do under deontology? In other words, it’s okay for a deontologist to murder someone if they have a cool motive?
I dunno I thought Kant said you should never do bad things even if you have a good reason.
Imo, Kant’s principles don’t really apply in this scenario, the Categorical Imperative applies to human-to-human treatment. Kant’s primary principle is act as such it would become universal law. Animal consumption is already a universal law.
Murder (of a human) is wrong because when applied universally, then society collapses. Theft is wrong because when applied universally, the right of property, and therefore society, collapses.
Animal consumption doesn’t cause societal collapse.
Thoughts?
The word you’re looking for is “artificial insemination” and it does not equate to rape.
Watch rapists try this one nasty trick.
Ok buddy, explain to me the difference between artificial insemination and rape.
I’ll wait
I am sure laws vary by country, but going with laws here…
One is done with a glorified Turkey baster to livestock. The other with your penis to a woman.
Are we seriously comparing women to livestock here? But even AI to a human woman would be sexual assault, not rape.
So putting semen up a vagina without consent isn’t rape?
So putting semen up a vagina
without consentisn’t rape?
The concept of consent does not apply for livestock. And yes, in the context of artificially inseminating livestock, that is correct.
Alright then c’mon over buddy I’ll get the turkey baster ready
I’m not even vegan but wtf is this logic
False equivalency; I am not a cow.
Care to point out where I exaggerated “in the most extreme and incorrect ways?”
They have got a point. You know what they mean. People will ignore you if you push your narrative too far, in their opinion
Let’s ignore all protestors because they’re annoying I’m sure fossil fuels and Israel would be very pleased with your comment 🤪
There’s quite literally no other way to put it.
Imagine if we sugar coated women that undergo sexual abuse and rape. We’d be 100% in support of the women, no questions asked (well, hopefully, but more and more beta incel cucks are making their voices heard online).
People will ignore this issue just like they ignore climate change. We as activists have a role in making it so they can’t ignore these things
Are you actually comparing climate change to animal abuse? Lol
At the very least I’d say people are significantly more aware and receptive to climate change.
Because I said “animal rape?” How dare I state blatantly where the beloved dairy products come from, the horror!
Apparently it doesn’t bother you that you make veganism look bad since you chose to be sarcastic like that. You’re actively preventing veganism
So you do know what the incorrect and absurd exaggeration was, after all.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
You’re a dairy shill that lacks moral intelligence.
Of course you find the truth exaggerative when you’ve twisted your ethics to only consider rape a human phenomenon.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve never claimed that rape is a “human phenomenon”. Artificial insemination of livestock is not raping them though.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Artificial insemination is rape. It involves non-consensual penetration of another animal. It can happen by a bull, by a human, or by any other animal (or alien for that matter). Makes no difference for the animal that is on the receiving end.
Your idea of nuance quite conveniently means that the moral caution you afford to humans isn’t afforded to animals, which is anthropocentrist and egocentric. If ever in the future you call yourself empathetic, know that you absolutely aren’t.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Factually incorrect
Yes, absolutely, things are different in different situations and contexts. That’s literally how nuance works. Absolutism and reducing morality down to black-and-white is incorrect.
🙄 yeah, using actual rape victims’ suffering to push your personal agenda makes you super empathetic and the good guy… oh brother