Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)
Comment on Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight…
pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 4 weeks ago
The public transport bus I take to and from work is a Chinese made electric. It’s a Yutong E15.
Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I remember that one getting tested in my hometown.
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 4 weeks ago
How common are these in Denmark? 😮 don’t feel like I’ve seen one, but then again it’s not like I study the make before I get in the bus
StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 4 weeks ago
This specific model I don’t know, but in Copenhagen all public transport buses will be electric by the end of 2026.
varyingExpertise@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Living in the boonies, I’m never going to get a bus going by every ten minutes so a solid market for good EVs is still what I root for.
pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Of course, public transport has a limit and we can root for both as well, including protected bike lanes even in the boonies like we successfully see in the Netherlands
varyingExpertise@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
I’m somewhat hopeful, in the last ten years, new and renovated country roads have been getting dedicated bike lanes behind the guardrails. Miles away from the excellent, completely separate infrastructure the dutch have, but its a start.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
i am lucky, my city has excellent public transport, that doesn’t stop people from using cars though. be it because of pure habit, or because public transport is not solution for everything.
so i’d rather if our european car industry wasn’t decimated by the chinese one.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
I don’t want to be like China though /s
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It’s not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.
pycorax@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Not super into cars but is there even any reason other than environmental friendliness to get an EV? Where I’m from, EVs are all wildly expensive compared to their combustion peers and they all frankly look really ugly to me. The coil whine of the EVs also drive me crazy.
pennomi@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Even the cheap ones accelerate faster, ride smoother, and are quieter. You don’t have to get oil changes, and the brakes don’t wear down as fast. Plus I can recharge at home, which is loads cheaper than buying gasoline.
And this is all with a relatively ancient Nissan Leaf, the new vehicles are all far better.
random_character_a@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
My government just added a controversial extra tax on EVs because they tear up the roads and cause additional particles, because they are really heavy and most of them have a better than usual torque.
You can really see how road quality went to shit after EVs became mainstream.
Making batteries is also a really ugly business and far from environmental.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Others have addressed your other questions, but I want to add that the “coil whine” that irritates you is probably the car’s slow-moving warning system. EVs are effectively silent at slow speeds because there is no engine noise or road noise, so they are required to make an annoying sound when maneuvering to get your attention. While it is an important safety feature, I agree some are very obnoxious.
pycorax@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same sound as it’s so high pitched that most people older than me are unable to even hear it while people my age or younger can clearly identify it. If that’s supposed to be a warning system, it doesn’t seem very good?
Grimy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
We are in the middle of a crisis. You don’t need an other reason.
You can either look ugly in an EV or drive straight towards dystopia in a cool looking ICE vehicle.
What the fuck are these comments?
pycorax@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I mean I’m personally a public transport kinda person. I live somewhere where a car is really just a status symbol since even the cheapest car costs at least roughly 80k USD and most people take public transport.
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
With my cheap over night tarrif (UK) I pay approximately 2p a mile, I’m planning a road trip to Europe soon and have calculated with a pay for discount EV charge card, I’ll average about 14p/mile. I’m saving between £60-£80 a month compared to my old diesel car, which pays off the charger install ~£900 in a year. Diesel price have dropped in the UK since I got mine.
For servicing it’s coolant every 3 years or so, and that pretty much it. We have a MOT in the UK, for every vehicle over 3 years old, then yearly, that covers more than what is needed on the yearly services for my car. Only thing it doesn’t cover is lubricate the charge port, but I think I’m ok with that
Also the cabin noise is almost silent, no gears, constant predictable acceleration, and I can plug anything I want in to the 240v outlet in the back seat
Kaboom@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
They make decent “point A to point B” cars, but that’s about it. They take a long time to charge, and when that battery is due for replacement, it might just total the car.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
They make decent “point A to point B” cars
which is, coincidentally, what most people need from a car ;)
Grimy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It’s been shown again and again that evs require less maintenance.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Competition is good for the consumer.
except what is happening now is not really any kind of fair competition. the european manufacturers exported they know-how to china, which was strategic failure, it was stolen, and now it is sold back to us with the advantage of cheap chinese production.
they will ruin our production and we will be in a similar situation where we were during covid, when the political leadership were saluting the china cargo airplanes on tarmac, otherwise it would not bring us masks, syringes, or any other stuff whose production we had given up and outsourced to china
unless we turn the ship around quite soon, we will be regretting it soon and for a long time.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car.
that isn’t really an argument in favor of china 😂
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
China famously doesn’t have a far-right problem, unlike the EU or the USA, what are you talking about?
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
unless you for some reason like leftist dictator who would like to rule the world more than the right one, there isn’t really practical difference in this
Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They manufacture everything, they are just people chilling in their country. Say what you will about their form of government but BYD havent invested in hurting people for no reason.
claimsou@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
The article title is a bit sensational. The share of the market for all Chinese EV is 5,6%. It’s not ( yet ? ) a tsunami.
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Telsas total european market share this month is 1.2%, down from 1.8% last may.
5.6% vs 1.2% is a nearly 5x sales rate for chinese cars versus Teslas. The title is not sensational. If anything, your comment is a bit misleading by not listing the tesla share.
claimsou@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
You are comparing Tesla, a full electric car maker to « Chinese cars » which includes multiple brands and all engine types. Only one-third of the cars that the Chinese carmakers sold in Europe during the first quarter were electric.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
It would be nice if there was a way to rip out any questionable software/electric components from modern cars and replace it with something open source.
Valmond@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Buy european? I mean if that’s an option.
breecher@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
There are lots of EVs by European car manufacturers. The problem is that they have trouble competing on price with the Chinese ones.
sommerset@thelemmy.club 4 weeks ago
You’ ve been explained this whole scenario years ago when Putin was pushing for Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
That was EU chance to get dirt cheap energy and raw materials.14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
You’ ve been explained this whole scenario years ago when Putin was pushing for Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
That was EU chance to get dirt cheap energy and raw materials.
what?
SpaceRanger13@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
I would say go with whatever company that doesn’t have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.
Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
GASP!
You mean… Proper capitalism!?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Okay there’s a ton of spyware in the car, but - just . . don’t . . . connect it. Or whatever.
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 4 weeks ago
I don’t know that they’re out to make money though. A lot of the Chinese manufacturers are now struggling due to the price war they instigated themselves. Huge production surplus but they pushed down the price so much they hardly make any money
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I think a lot of it is also growing their market share and establishing their brand.
Meron35@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Competition is fierce, but they are not exactly struggling due to government subsidies/incentives. These are so extreme that Chinese manufacturers are over producing and dumping “used” EVs with zero mileage for export.
Similar to US agricultural dumping, this is a terrible policy for everyone, except for the beneficiaries of the subsidies, and maybe the overseas consumers who get cheap EVs in the short term.
China’s Zero-Mile ‘Used’ EVs Are Flooding Global Markets - insideevs.com/news/…/china-zero-mile-used-evs/
Kaboom@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
So support the country committing a genocide against the uyghurs? Because you think a salute is worse than a Holocaust, got it.
SpaceRanger13@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
If you don’t see musk as one of the singular greatest threats to this planet, I dunno what to tell you. It is certainly not just the salute, that was just the most public he’s been about his true self. If I recall those Nazis had some thoughts on the Holocaust as well.
Kaboom@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
I really don’t. Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi Jinping, all are actual threats. Musk doesn’t even register.
Deestan@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
With that level of indirection gymnastics, you can accuse anyone of anything.
(This comment written in the language of a brutally colonizing and genocidal empire.)
Kaboom@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
Canada?
tortina_original@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Hahaha.
As opposed to supporting a country that… (fill in the blanks, there is an infinite supply)
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
Since you proudly champion the rights of Uyghur people, you are aware that the reeducation camps are closed since about 2022, right?
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
i am afraid it is just that most CEOs are sane enough to keep their embarrassing moments for their private life. do you think musk is the only narcissistic psychopath on drugs in the business word?
this is not advocating for musk, but it is important to be grounded in reality ;)
SpaceRanger13@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
I have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don’t own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter, or have more money and resources than several small nations.
Feet firmly planted in reality, thanks. You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
You should work on your reading comprehension then
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
To be fair, I think most of USA is on recreational drugs, legal, illegal, or “prescription”. That shouldn’t matter as much compared to his other actions.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
what he does in his free time is one thing (i don’t care about that), being high when he is
working for a governmentruining people’s lives and jobs is another.