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Switch to Linux, today. It’s always been the better option, but for the last decade it’s been the easier option as well. Installing Linux is a walk in the park whereas windows is a Hilarious clown show from hell with no end.

That reminds me that now in the office we’re dealing with windows machines where the network card just stops working, drivers are suddenly gone. Don’t ask, it’s windows, it’s Microsoft abd this is just considered normal. If a Linux machine has a bug it’s “oh my god Linux sucks sooo hard, it’s impossible to get it to work!” but this Microsoft bullshit just gets handwaved away with “well computers are complicated, let’s just reinstall this”

Yes, there is still a limited set of specialty hardware that may not have drivers available for Linux, but the vast majority of people can easily run Linux and have a much MUCH better experience than windows, and that is ignoring the spyware, the adware, the ads, the plain security nightmare of having a windows machine…

Switch to Linux, it’s easy, it’s beautiful, it’s fun. Come to Linux, come to the dark side, we have cookies

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lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Installing Linux is a walk in the park whereas windows is a Hilarious clown show from hell with no end.

As a server maybe. Switching everything on my desktop to Linux has been a constant fight against all kinds of problems and there’s several things I haven’t been able to get working at all. Microsoft’s constant enshittification is closing the gap and it’s currently a tossup between which one I’m going to land on but that’s not Linux improving so much as Windows getting worse.

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- sping@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s very hardware dependent with a few problem’s like Nvidia. For Best results go established brands that support Linux like thinkpads.
  
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  - lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That advice doesn’t help much when I already have all the hardware. The whole point is not having to buy new shit.
    
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    sping@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I want giving advise, I was describing the situation. 🤷
    
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  - sykaster@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Exactly, I have a bunch of weird issues when running Linux on my Lenovo Legion 5 Pro with an RTX3060. So unfortunately I w9nt be switching until the situation improves.
    
    It’s not even about gaming either, virtually all animations are like 2fps, no matter the drivers or power management. I wasted days on this with some guys from the Lenovo Legion Linux discord server, and some with exactly the same laptop don’t have the same issue, but windows runs fine.
    
    It’s a real shame that, maybe on the next laptop!
    
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    dai@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Is your model covered by a NixOS module?
    
    github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware/tree/…/legion
    
    Could give one of these a twirl and see if it fixes the issues you’ve been seeing.
    
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rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

That reminds me that now in the office we’re dealing with windows machines where the network card just stops working, drivers are suddenly gone. Don’t ask, it’s windows, it’s Microsoft abd this is just considered normal. If a Linux machine has a bug it’s “oh my god Linux sucks sooo hard, it’s impossible to get it to work!” but this Microsoft bullshit just gets handwaved away with “well computers are complicated, let’s just reinstall this”

Ah, yes, that. I switched in 2011 and the first impressions were about how flawless everything is compared to Windows.

the plain security nightmare of having a windows machine…

Eh, about that - Linux really isn’t immune to that. Just right now Windows is still by far the more profitable target.

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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Linux security is not perfect, nothing is. But compared to windows security? Come on, seriously? Is .exe still the extension that’ll automatically execute a program?
  
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  - rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’m not sure this is anywhere near what a security comparison would look like.
    
    And the fact that the traditional Unix security model is being augmented with ACLs and selinux and what not hints, that it’s not sufficient. And what these things are being used for is, well, similar to Windows security model.
    
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- Trafficone@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s better now but twenty years ago some Linux distros were so insecure out of the box that you could be fully owned if you logged into the wrong network.
  
  Even still, I don’t see most distros leverage the security capabilities that running Linux enables. Linux runs the server side of the internet, being a niche os isn’t the security silver bullet it once was.
  
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  - tehn00bi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Pretty sure this guy didn’t use Linux twenty years ago. Outside of very basic computing, Linux wasn’t very useful.
    
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    kmacmartin@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’ve been running Linux exclusively since 2001 or so. It was rough around the edges back then, but it was useful enough for what I needed.
    
    You had to choose a good distro on that note; redhat, mandrake, etc broke on me so many times, and I was only able to fully switch after finding slackware, which was rock solid.
    
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    phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Pretty sure this guy built a 5 user machine with 5 monitors, keyboards, audio, all on a single 2gig Celeron machine. Built the software for all of it in 3 months. That is not 1 user on a desktop but 5 at the same time. 1 user was even back then better, bect I remember all the Regex.exe posts that is sooooo much easier than typing a command somewhere
    
    That was 17 years ago.
    
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td_sp@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Quick glance on my installed programs, and I count 7 apps I heavily use in windows 11 with no linux version, nor a clear equivalent that could replace them without extensive hacks that may or may not work and be a total waste of my time.

Also a funny thing: I installed Debian with KDE and then GNOME last year on another PC, and guess what? KDE & GNOME came bloated with a bunch of apps, games, office suite, code editor and other shit.

I thought the whole shtick of Linux/FOSS was that it didn’t make any default choices for you. That’s what I always read here when people cry about windows bloat.

The same cleanup & customization did for windows 11 I had to do to Debian KDE and then GNOME.

Point is: it’s not that easy and being and insufferable jerk about it its not gonna solve it. Let people use what they want.

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- WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Quick glance on my installed programs, and I count 7 apps I heavily use in windows 11 with no linux version, nor a clear equivalent that could replace them without extensive hacks that may or may not work and be a total waste of my time.
  
  if you tell us the names, maybe someone can help
  
  Also a funny thing: I installed Debian with KDE and then GNOME last year on another PC, and guess what? KDE & GNOME came bloated with a bunch of apps, games, office suite, code editor and other shit.
  
  that’s the decision of the distribution, not KDE/Gnome. often it is configurable in the installer, even in debian to some level.
  
  The same cleanup & customization did for windows 11 I had to do to Debian KDE and then GNOME.
  
  to be fair if uninstalling unneeded programs is the only thing you do on 11, you’re leaving in lots of things.
  
  Let people use what they want.
  
  I agree that insufferable jerks are insufferable jerks, but I don’t think most people want to use windows 11, but that’s what they can use, for one reason or another, some of which have a solution, some of which not yet
  
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- Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The whole schtick is you have actual ownership and control of your software. You literally just have a Windows license and in that license you have no power or control over your OS. Microsoft is definitely spying on you at this point, no question about that anymore.
  
  I am sensing some serious anti-linux projections. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. If you don’t like people talking about it, don’t use Lemmy and go to Reddit where there are tons of Windows bros who dunk on Linux all day.
  
  Point is: Your full of it and you probably want to ruin Lemmy like Reddit got ruined so you can feel comfortable in your chosen OS. Follow the granny rule, if you don’t have something positive to say just shut the fuck up.
  
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  - td_sp@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    If you don’t like people talking about it, don’t use Lemmy and go to Reddit where there are tons of Windows bros who dunk on Linux all day.
    
    Nice gatekeeping… people like you are why these platforms are never taking off.
    
    My home server runs debian, my main PC runs windows 11, and I have an iPhone and it all works very well. I don’t like circlejerks, they’re stupid, specially when they’re loudly incorrect.
    
    Lemmy has a massive circlejerk problem to the point that you can’t even mention using proprietary stuff because you get screamed at by keyboard warriors.
    
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    Damage@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I think you’re confusing Lemmy’s alignment to freedom and the common good with a circle jerk. Most of us are here because we don’t want to be bound by the limits of centralized, proprietary social networks, how can you be surprised that the people here try to make the same choice in other aspects of their lives?
    
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- privatizetwiddle@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If a distribution didn’t come with any default software, it would be unusable out of the box by the average user. If you want that, choose something like Arch or Gentoo or LFS.
  
  The point of FOSS is freedom and choice. You can choose a distribution that aligns with your needs, and once it’s running, you can e.g. replace Firefox with Chrome or use Nautilus instead of Thunar. Try uninstalling IE/Edge or Explorer on Windows for a direct comparison.
  
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Zink@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Seriously. If you’re used to fiddling with Windows and especially if you have installed Windows recently, go try something like Linux Mint. Just the install process will blow your mind. And then wait until you get a system update and it doesn’t affect what you’re doing!

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- tiramichu@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  And you can say no if you want to!
  
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  - Zink@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah I guess I left that part out! It’s funny because like so many things in Linux, you have all the power but you often don’t need to use it because the same problems just aren’t there.
    
    You get to decide when to apply the updates, but they are so quick and unobtrusive that I choose to apply them immediately!
    
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Landless2029@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No cookies!

Punch and pie!

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Cocopanda@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
But what if we already use Linux? Can we still have some cookies? Or is this new users only?

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- ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You can have them, just click accept all on the cookie pop up.
  
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