Comment on Apple executives ban Fortnight from the App store

• AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I am in the camp that there is a benefit to the managed store. Since moving family members to iOS devices the number of times they have loaded malware or asked me for help installing ANYTHING dropped to zero.

  Should techies be able to side load if they want? Sure, should that be a primary install method? No.

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  • FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    All bootloaders should be able to be unlocked and able to install the OS of your choice. Also you should be able to choose whatever app store you want. It is your hardware, you payed for it.

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    • 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you want a customizable phone, yes. If you want a secured phone, no.

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      • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Apple’s software is malware

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      • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Except Google is trying to limit this on Android phones as well (e.g. with SafetyNet).

        If manufacturers had their way, there wouldn’t be any phones for one side.

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  • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nope. No reason that you should pay $1000 for a device and not, at the very least, be able to exert administrative control over it.

    We wouldn’t accept this from Microsoft.

    Should side loading be discouraged and warned about? Yes. Should it be impossible? Maybe through “parental” controls or MDM, but absolutely not out-of-the-box.

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    • orgrinrt@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is a sane take, though I personally do generally tend towards understanding and even valuing the walled garden to some degree. But this is what I’ve always felt underneath it, you found the words.

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      • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A walled garden without an exit is just a pretty prison.

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    • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What’s more, Windows S Mode proved perfectly that you could offer the “safe” functionality that Apple claim they need to protect their customers, without fucking things up for people who wanted to take responsibility for vetting applications themselves.

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  • noride@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “I frequently interface with idiots, so I don’t feel it would be safe for you to have full control over the hardware you own.”

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  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Monopolies and trusts are never beneficial to anyone save those who control them.

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  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s a lot of very techy people who’ve never had to do family tech support on this platform.

    Yes, the fact that Mum can’t accidentally install a shitty browser toolbar is a feature.

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There is a benefit. And you can continue using the first-party store if you want. There’s no benefit to not being able to use 3rd-party ones to anyone but Apple and their investors.

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  • middlemanSI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can see benefits of such limitations for say a company-owned devices with cyber-security in mind. When we talk about open market of devices in an increasingly “digital” world I am against limitations with profit in mind. It’s like many things in life. When you want to do or use something you have to learn to use it, often by getting burned or otherwise making a mistake. You having to fix family devices has nothing to do with it. Anyway I have no stake in this, I would never buy an Apple device. Companies pushing for “infinite growth” with such policies will be left in the dust imo, but the billionares will just move on after milking everything dry.

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• Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You are missing the gene that makes one an apple fanBoi apparently.

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• FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’re missing that you don’t make the OS, and the OS maker doesn’t have to make a way for you to be able to install whatever you want. Sony doesn’t let you install Switch games on your PS5, do they? Should they be forced to?

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  • middlemanSI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No. They can peddle their infinite growth with less people paying more rather than the opposite. This is the way I guess.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok so you agree that Sony shouldn’t have to let you install and play anything you want on their console, but Apple needs to be different because…….reasons?

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      • middlemanSI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You missed some sarcasm in there. Once I buy a device, I can wipe it clean, remove any bloat application, load my own code, or side load my friends’ shitty home made game. It’s my device, not apples’. Especially when the device is like 2k€. Apple is responsible for their firmware, so device must run and work for me when I factory reset it. Factory code must be consumer friendly (In reality it’s a tracker and an ad peddler). Loosing guarantee is ok if I phisically modify the device.

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