While I do recognise the colloquial and unserious tone of your argument, I have to disagree wholeheartedly: Human right are universal.
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rikudou@lemmings.world 4 days ago
As much as I dislike crypto, this is not a crypto fail story, even though the article paints it like that a few times.
No one should have their finger servered because of other people’s greediness.
These are the occasions I wish death penalty was a thing, especially for those cases where the idiots have been caught in the act - there are better things to do with my tax money than making sure they have a place to live in and some nice good meals to go with it.
Phineaz@feddit.org 4 days ago
rikudou@lemmings.world 4 days ago
I mean, it’s hard. I’m not really against death penalty on its own, I think there are crimes which deserve exactly that. My issue with death penalty is how easy it is to misuse. So in a theoretical world where some perfect entity with no ability to make mistakes decides who gets it, I’m 100% in favour. In the real world, not so much.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
As long as we have the option to separate and isolate, nobody deserves to be killed. The death penalty is nothing more than formalised murder, however one chooses to look at it.
rikudou@lemmings.world 4 days ago
Sure, you can call it that and yeah, it might make some people think more before being in favour of it just because it doesn’t sound as bad.
But I disagree with the first part, plenty deserve to be killed, always had and always will.
In theory death penalty is exactly that - people justly decide that someone harms society too much and they don’t want that person in society.
(again, note that I don’t think it should be implemented in real world because of how easily corruptible people are)
Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 days ago
Universal but also uninalienable
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 4 days ago
As a side note. A death penalty case actually costs more than a life sentence.
rikudou@lemmings.world 4 days ago
In the US where they decided to make the punitive system for-profit?
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Of course.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
No. It’s more that they have higher costs and it averages out around 20 years. So it’s close to the average length of a life sentence except if they’re young. It’s only real cheap if you have a kangaroo court and just shoot people.
Zangoose@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The prison system also doesn’t actually make a net-profit even in the US, it only makes money for specific people (the owners of the private prisons and the systems benefitting off of prisoners’ free labor). The government actually loses billions of dollars per year maintaining prisons 🙃
gradual@lemmings.world 1 day ago
It doesn’t need to.
derGottesknecht@feddit.org 4 days ago
Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
We need more Gandalves and less Sarumen.
rikudou@lemmings.world 3 days ago
So, because I can’t solve one problem, I shouldn’t ever try to solve a different one? I like Gandalf as much as the next guy, but their world is very simple - evil is evil, good is good and there’s no place for shades of gray.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
It means death is final and you shouldn’t always act rashly. Gollum was a baby eater and absolutely evil.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
This made no sense; even if we overlook the objectification of people.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
The death penalty doesn’t work at all because the state serves capital (among other reasons). The worst offenders are never punished.
If you want the death penalty, there are far worse crimes than this. Just look at the genocide of Palestinians.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 4 days ago
I dont like death penalty for the people who would deserve it because it lets them off too easy. Why should they be allowed to leave this hell in easy way while we have to remain.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 4 days ago
And what does that achieve? Nothing. It’s just revenge which is useless. If it’s an easy way out, so be it. It’s also an easy way away from others.
Not sure about death penalty, but having access to euthanasia both inside and outside prison feels like a better solution. Outside first, you don’t want people commiting crimes just to access euthanasia.hamsda@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Isn’t being jailed forever also an “easy way out”? I’m sure there are people on this planet who are not in jail, but, because of too little money or other circumstances, have less and get treated worse than people in jail.
Also, if being alive really is hell to you, you might want to do something about this.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
I dont think there is anything worse than being imprisoned, even if you are treated well. Though I guess if you don’t know of anything better anyway then maybe its different.
At least writing this made me feel better, no need to read or reply if you dont want to. I don’t mean to dump all this on you, but I cant think of sensible place for it elsewhere. I’m not sure if its even good idea to post this but I want to hear someone else’s thoughts about it for chance, be it you or someone else who happens to see this crazy wall of text.
If i could at least do something about things, it would be so bad but there is nothing I can do, only endure. Talking about it helps a bit, but it doesnt fix the problem. And by hell i mean slow erosion of everything until I have nothing left, not horrible suffering constantly. Its also not few big things but tons of smaller things that together make a mountain. Even if you fix one thing it doesnt remove the mountain and many things on it are things that can’t even be fixed by yourself. If i could at least work towards those things they wouldnt feel bad.
I have also tried looking for help, but healthcare and especially mental healthcare is badly neglected in finland. If you can get treatment then its ok quality, but the thing is you can’t because there is queue that is probably years long. It didnt even used to be like this, but our current government sees anyone who isnt rich as scum and so they cut funding to basic things while giving tax cuts to the rich. They even cut funding from programs and institutions that help people find work, so unemployement has skyrocketed too.
I guess this world feels like hell because so many things just fit into the concept for me. It doesnt feel like that all the time, if it did i would likely just kill myself or go insane and thus escape the suffering. Even if i want to kill myself I know I cant and shouldnt due to many reasons.
I can’t stop caring about important things and i feel like if I seriously try its like mutilating my soul or making myself into something I hate so I cant escape that way either. Also the way I am is also making me suffer, i think. Intelligent enough to see the problems but just stupid enough to not being able to do anything about them but not enough to try anyway.
I can’t do anything about those things because its like society itself has been structured in such way you can’t affect anything by following the rules and if you try it by not following the rules it doesn’t work either and just makes things worse. Best I could do is find someone else trying to do something and try support them, but I can’t find anyone and dont know where to look. I can’t even tell if its me who is crazy for caring or everyone else for not wanting to care about anything. I know I can’t fix world’s problems but doing at least something towards fixing them would be enough for me but I cant do anything alone that feels meaningful enough.
I can’t even wallow in selfpity because I know my problems aren’t even that bad especially compared to many other people. I also know many of my problems are my own fault, be it either mistakes or just not putting in enough effort. But I just can’t find the energy or motivation to put in that effort and don’t even know why.
I didnt want to go into specifics so there are a lot of other things not on the “list” here
I have tried to improve things like starting to go to gym, sit less on computer and go to different groups to be more social, so maybe that will start helping. I also really should try to look for ways how to help other people since good way to help yourself is to help someone else.
But ultimately even all that feels like just enduring by making oneself feel better about things
I have written similar things before and just deleted the whole thing. I guess I can just delete it later if it turns out to be bad idea. Its also going way off topic from the main thread, but at least I enjoy reading other’s off topic conversations here so hopefully its not that bad thing.
angrystego@lemmy.world 4 days ago
But not like that, please, there are usually other options.
VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Death Penalty has no justification. Expand your mind past the recitivist police state mentality before you get us all killed starting with the most marginalized kthx and byyeeeee
gradual@lemmings.world 1 day ago
So you don’t think serial child rapists should be put to death?
Interesting.
hamsda@lemm.ee 4 days ago
I do understand how you feel about that and I do kinda feel the same, BUT … you always have to assure that every last person has rights and gets acceptable treatment, even the ones who seemingly have no soul. Because if there’s ever a category of people without rights, any government would have an easy way to get rid of eveyone critizing them.
szszl@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Thats bullshit. Not all people deserve to be treated as people. Some are just garbage. That includes serial killers and ones mentioned in this article
hamsda@lemm.ee 4 days ago
And then you critize the government, get a sham trial and are marked for your crime as some kind of “garbage person” without rights. Afterwards, execution or locking away and maybe throw in some torture for the fun of it. This is reality already. It just hasn’t been done to you.
You can feel about it however you want, I may even feel the same with some people, but as an adult, we have to use logic.
The point is, there must never be an official group of people without rights you can just “get rid of” im some way. This limit is not for the punished, it exists to shield the innocent.
VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
gettt ratio’d you know not about what you speak
4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
There’s this one Nazi CEO that I hope we can agree either has no soul or at least one that we could do without. Yet we’re not killing him.
Killing people is wrong and while there may be factors that make it seem more warranted, nothing will ever make it right.
SaltSong@startrek.website 3 days ago
Strongly disagree. If someone had killed Musk a year ago, the world would be a different place today. A better place, I think.
If someone had killed Trump ten years ago, how many COVID deaths would be avoided? How much damage to our economy would not have happened? How many hungry people across the world would still have food from a USAID shipment?
There are plenty of times it would be right to kill people. But who can we trust to make that decision? I’m confident I’m right, but I would not want to have to do it.