Comment on We have reached the “severed fingers and abductions” stage of the crypto revolution - Ars Technica
rikudou@lemmings.world 4 days agoSure, you can call it that and yeah, it might make some people think more before being in favour of it just because it doesn’t sound as bad.
But I disagree with the first part, plenty deserve to be killed, always had and always will.
In theory death penalty is exactly that - people justly decide that someone harms society too much and they don’t want that person in society.
(again, note that I don’t think it should be implemented in real world because of how easily corruptible people are)
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
No. Murder is murder. There is no rationalising one’s way around it. There is no acceptable context for killing someone other than immediate self-defence, which is not the case when discussing things in terms of justice systems.
Killing is never justice.
SaltSong@startrek.website 4 days ago
But you know he’s gonna kill a hundred people next week. Starve ten thousands people to death over the next six months. Start world war 3, and cause the death of millions of people. Those people people have no recourse to self defence, but you could defend them, right now.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
Again, this is not immediate self-defence, this is something else entirely: this type of situation demands systemic change.
As a Romanian, our Revolution ended the instant the people took back control of this nation and Ceaușescu had no more power (it was obvious, because literally nobody was taking orders from him at that point). Then they shot him. Then they shot his wife.
In this case, it is the people’s duty to protect their collective interests, yes, but killing still isn’t justified. You remove them from authority then send them on their merry way to live put their standards alone, far from the rest of us.
Friggin’ children know this already, if someone doesn’t play nice, you stop playing with them. Why the hell are we still debating the virtues of murder?!
SaltSong@startrek.website 4 days ago
I’m aware it’s not immediate self defence, that’s kind of the point of the question. How many people die while you work on that change? Why are ok killing to defend yourself now, but not to defend a hundred people tomorrow?
And you hope they don’t come back with more people and a plan for revenge. Napoleon was sent off on his merry way. His return cost over 50,000 lives.
And what if they won’t let you stop playing with then? Children know bullies, too, and know that you can’t just ignore them.
Because you are unwilling to admit that some people need killing. Not very many, in my opinion. There are usually better options. But killing someone is the only way to be 100% sure that they stop hurting people.