Comment on I knew one day I’d have to watch powerful men burn the world down. I just didn’t expect them to be such losers

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• zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  And they all think by having more money and being more popular will fulfill that human need.

  If that was all it was, then I’d feel sorry for them. No, they’re trying to fulfill that need by being Great Men of History with Mighty Plans, but their Mighty Plans are all terrible, because they’re horrible people.

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  • o1011o@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, I think it’s a mistake to imagine that these are good people who just need a little love. There are literally hundreds of millions of people who aren’t getting enough love for proper human flourishing and it’s not like that turned them all into fascists. The kind of evil exhibited by these people must be attributed to a fundamental enjoyment of the suffering of others.

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    • krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Well statistically about 30% of people worldwide don’t mind fascism so that’s hundreds of millions of people too. I’m not sure I’d be willing to say a lack of loving relationships is the primary cause of that but I doubt solving that problem would hurt.

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      • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Where are you getting that statistic from?

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• rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That’s a tired stereotype. Powerful people are unloved because they don’t need to be loved. They are psychopaths, they have all the love they need, they are bored with the world and have nothing more to want.

  People around you are unloved because they have problems.

  Also money can buy you a cottage surrounded by nice trees near a river, healthy food, more house animals than you could want, a fast PC, jasmine and lilac bushes outside your window.

  I think it can go a long way.

  My irritation from this stereotype is because it kinda says the opposite of what it says. It feels like sublimated envy, expressed by saying that you don’t envy them. Why talk about their money at all then.

  I wouldn’t envy anyone’s money if that’s all the difference between us, unfortunately money buys power and power is used to impose one’s will upon me, and that I very much care about.

  But your typical young Trotskyists in the Interwebs write whole articles consisting of Marxist vibes (a strong thing, especially in spring, but not enough) and envy to those having more. LOL, someone having more money is not our problem. Our problem is someone attacking us with it.

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  • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    While this is a fresh perspective of the trope, there is very significant evidence that becoming rich is a predictor of early death and depression, presumably due to how hard it becomes to connect to people. Normal people need money to eat and live, and handle it like the privilege it is. It is synonymous with survival for most people. It’s no wonder at all to me why the oligarchs has been naturally selected to be psychopaths. All other people die. A select few give it away and devote themselves to reintegrate back to humanity but those are very few and far between.

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    • orange_squeezer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What? It’s literally the opposite. Do you remember the discovery that owning horses extends your lifespan by several years, not for any merit of its own, but because it strictly excludes the poor and most of the middle class?

      The more money you have, the healthier you are, the longer you live, and the happier you tend to be. It’s straight propaganda that being rich is somehow a burden or requires people of exceptional mental strength to struggle on.

      pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3139960/

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      • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re right, I had only read a few studies and they were focused on sudden wealth. In general, it is neither a predictor or inverse predictor of depression. As you get poor and have to struggle, of course that is a predictor of bad health and sudden changes both up and down is indicated to form depression

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  • obbeel@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    People not accepting that other people got a easier time doing certain things than others is certainly a problem, but too much blaming isn’t good as well.

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• overload@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I wouldn’t challenge this view for Musk, Bezos, Trump. But Zuck gives me more of a “reformed (now married) incel that comes from an otherwise normal family environment vibe”. His marriage seems at least typical, likely loving etc.

  His product happens to be the most harmful for democracy and I consider him equal for worst of the bunch as a result, but I think it’s explained by corporate/personal greed and being out of touch with reality.

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  • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    He wants to be Augustus Caesar. That’s not “normal loving relationship” behavior.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    “The average American, I think has, I think it’s fewer than three friends. Three people that they consider friends.”

    This is Zuckerberg, claiming it’s normal not just to have only 3 friends, but fewer than 3. This is telling on yourself even more than “Women’s orgasms aren’t real because no woman I’ve ever been with has had an orgasm.”

    If he counts his wife in that list of “fewer than 3 friends”, how many friends does he actually have? I get that being ultra rich means that often you can’t be sure who’s actually your friend, and who’s just there for the money. But, still, he should at least be able to count a handful of friends. I’ve known my 2 best friends since before I was 5 years old. Surely if Zuck had a normal childhood, he should have people who were his friends long before he got rich, who he can be sure aren’t just there for his money. If he doesn’t, it strongly suggests he was either a pretty awful kid, or he led a really weird life growing up and was isolated from anybody who could have become a friend.

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• limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I read some books by Alice Miller that discussed some childhoods of authoritarian rulers and they were all of unloved. They had not one adult stick up for them, be their advocate or helper, during their childhood years.

  Many of us as children have been unwanted or unloved by our caregivers. Most of us had at least one adult: an uncle, grandmother, teacher etc, who truly tried to help at least once.

  What the monsters in history had in common is an absence of evidence of even that happening for them. And their revenge as adults was terrible.

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  • theangryseal@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Man, I should have became an authoritarian ruler.

    Instead I became isolated and I haven’t had a visitor in over a decade.

    Fuck it. Vote for theangryseal!

    For real though, maybe if I hadn’t ever used drugs haha. I had a lot of “friends” when I was living in that world. Might have stopped me. :p

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  No amount of money and power will ever scratch their itch

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  not realizing the path they chose doesn’t end anywhere near what they desire

  It’ll end where they deserve though. Alone, despised and empty. No amount of money or stupid blue checkmarks will ever change that.

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  • Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It might end with them realizing the truth, but it’ll be as they’re surrounded by the ashes of our civilizations and bodies.

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• lupusblackfur@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Money will never buy love and peace.

  True enough.

  But, in the broken psyches of the ones you’ve mentioned, it buys perfectly serviceable alternatives which they can convince themselves actually does make them happy.

  They are so broken that broken solutions actually work for them…

  🤷‍♂️ 🤡 🖕

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• Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Looks like autocorrect did ya dirty.

  No one >> noons

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  • Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Don’t try and downplay the affect of connecting with noons on the human psyche. They are an evil scourge and should be eradicated. This is exactly the kind of thing a noon would post.

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• scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What’s wrong with Zuck’s family?

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