Comment on That's all folks, Plex is starting to charge for sharing

• fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Very easy:

  • tailscale.com (basically plug and play)

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  • github.com/juanfont/headscale

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  • CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Very easy” assuming you aren’t trying to share with non-technical people or your elderly parents.

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve walked them through using tailscale.

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      • Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        How do I install it on my mom’s Chromecast or my sister’s LG TV?

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  • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also Wireguard, which is what Tailscale uses.

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, they both do. That’s a lot more manual though.

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  • akilou@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Dude how the hell am I supposed to walk my mom through setting up tailscale on her Roku?

    And what if you have multiple friends all sharing each others libraries?

    This is not a feasible solution let alone a “very easy” one.

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I was thinking a computer! Multiple people can connect to your tailscale and jellyfin at once. That’s not so much an issue.

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      • Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You completely ignored his question, Tailscale is not a valid solution for your mom’s Roku

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  • legion02@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Completely unreasonable to need to walk people through this. It’s OK to say jellyfin can’t do remote access.

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, I never said it did out of the box. I was giving people the example of how I did it, in case they wanted an easy option for PCs. No offence meant, my friend.

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      • Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’re replying to a message that literally says that, so it makes you sound like you think Tailscale is somewhat integrated into Jellyfin, because the message originally said exactly that you needed a third party app to solve this issue in Jellyfin

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• semperverus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You can stream remotely via jellyfin if you expose your server to the internet. VPN is safer but not the only option.

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  • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, no way. Jellyfins Backend is like an open barn door. And with the kind of content most of us here offer through either Jellyfin or Plex, I wouldn’t want to open up like that.

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    • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Anecdotal but I’ve run Jellyfin publicly without any issues for around 5 years. It even has its own domain name.

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    • Dave@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Isn’t there an assumption it would be behind a reverse proxy… At least I hope that’s the assumption.

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      • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Doesn’t do shit when large parts of the Backend are not authenticated

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• charles@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You’re 100% correct. I always find it funny how hardcore some people are with jellyfin vs Plex. I’ll probably end up getting downvotes on this but imo Plex is way simpler to setup and keep running, and as a lifetime pass owner, I’ve very rarely felt like my experience has been deteriorated by any of the changes that the jellyfin crowd freaks out about. Plus plexamp is honestly such a great music player. I’ll happily keep running Plex for the foreseeable future.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ditto to all of this, except I don’t know anything about plexamp

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    • charles@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you have music on your server, I’d strongly recommend checking it out. I believe it was started as a side project by the Plex devs and it’s a way better music player than the one built into the Plex apps.

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      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I appreciate this recommendation. I’ve been trying it out for like 5 minutes and I’m very impressed! This could be life-changing and lead to me axing Spotify. Thank you kind stranger!

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  • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Plex is more polished, but I love Jellyfin’s subtitle search; it blows Plex’s socks away.

    Also, Jellyfin doesn’t nag me every effing time to enable DRM in Firefox for some unfathomable reason.

    But Plex definitely wins on performance, IMO.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Set up Bazarr.

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• __ghost__@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s correct

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  • themachine@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That is not correct. A VPN would be one method but you can also just expose the service to the internet in a number of ways and accomplish the same thing Plex provides.

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    • mobotsar@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You probably shouldn’t just expose jellyfin to the internet quite yet though. There are some ongoing efforts to fix unauthenticated endpoint problems.

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      • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        ‘Ongoing efforts’ is a funny way to phrase ‘refuse to fix’

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    • sudneo@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not to be “achtuallying” bit VPN is not a way to remote stream, it’s a way to bring remote clients in the local network.

      Likewise exposing services on the internet…not really going to happen esepcially for people - like me - that run plex/jellyfin on their NAS.

      I don’t have a horse in this race, i don’t use remote streaming, I only ever streamed from my nas to my 2 TVs, and I am experimenting with jellyfin. But for those who do need remote streaming, jellyfin is going to be problematic.

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    • __ghost__@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s correct

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• logos@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I used a reverse proxy just fine.

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• CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not necessarily a VPN but you’re 100% on your own for security. When i used to run Emby, I had a white-list IPs but this doesn’t work great since most ISPs rotate IPs over time and if you’re on wireless it could change all the time.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah a VPN isn’t “necessary”, but it’s the most straightforward way. Unfortunately it’s not really at all feasible for many people who currently play from other peoples plex libraries.

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• themachine@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No. You have to expose your server to the internet in some way bit you don’t have to set up some sort of VPN. There are plenty of people who will tell you how awful of an idea it is but if you make smart choices it’s not a big deal.

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  • sudneo@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well, as an application it has a huge attack surface, it’s also able to download stuff from internet (e.g., subs) and many people run it on NAS. I run jellyfin in docker, I didn’t do a security assessment yet, but for sure it needs volume mounts, not sure about what capabilities it runs with (surely NET_BIND, and I think DAC_READ_SEARCH to avoid file ownership issues with downloaders?). Either way, I would never expose a service like that on the internet.

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    • RaccoonBall@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is also true about Plex which must also be exposed to the internet

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      • sudneo@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No that’s the thing. Plex can also use their infra as a tunneling system. You can have remote streaming without exposing Plex publicly and without VPN. It is slow though.

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• merthyr1831@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I use a non-rooted docker, reverse proxy, and cloudfare domain. I know Jellyfin has some API security issues but I’m still unconvinced that any of them can be used to escalate to any level that would threaten my server (or even my instance of Jellyfin).

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  • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They are not about escalating permissions but about unauthorized access to your library. As some living in a country with professional piracy lawyers, that go out and try to catch people in the act, I won’t open my server to that kind of risk.

    I like Jellyfin being open source and all, but the maintainers made it clear that they prefer backwards compatibility with clients over fixing these issues.

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    • merthyr1831@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh yeah I don’t buy the backwards compat stuff because you can version an API to preserve backwards compatibility to sensible ends.

      I’d be very interested to see cases of streaming or copyright lawyers essentially hacking users to litigate them. The only stuff Ive ever seen on snooping by corps on pirates it’s usually collecting PII from public sources like torrent clients without VPN coverage.

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      • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The alternative is that dey just don’t care or are not capable of fixing it, despite numerous suggestions in the github thread. Both don’t blde well for the project, especially seeing as that ticket has veen open and discussed for almost 5 years

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• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Incorrect.

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