How well does Linux run Solidworks?
Oh right, it doesn’t…at all.
Linux is useful for many things but just doesn’t cut it for the majority of people reliant on single deal breaker items.
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Pirata@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Why even bother at this point? Linux has become so good it’s actually easier and more familiar to use than the clusterfuck that is windows 11.
PagPag@lemmy.world 1 day ago
9point6@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You’re also SOL if you have a couple of decades of music projects in various DAWs (though predominantly Ableton, plus a decent number of Maschine & Reason projects, for me) using all sorts of VSTs from over the years. I keep several versions of some VSTs installed so I can open older projects, and those older versions are never getting patched to fix broken Linux support by the developer, even if a more modern version does get fixed. It’s all got to come from wine devs, which frankly probably have more important issues to focus on.
I’ve tried a few times to get Ableton working with all my plugins and MIDI hardware and it’s always been an exercise in madness ultimately resulting in failure and usually a lost weekend. It particularly doesn’t like anything with my iLok key involved, last I tried a couple of years ago.
I happily run Linux elsewhere, but my main desktop is going to mainly run Windows for the foreseeable future unless something drastically changes. At least my projects aren’t all in Logic!
There’s also some software I use for my photography that didn’t properly work on Linux when I last tried (e.g. GPU features in PureRAW are the main thing I remember), but I think there’re some alternatives there I’d look at if I could get the audio production stuff working perfectly.
Aphelion@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I’ve been working on getting set up for music production on Linux, it is possible, but it has a lot more challenges. Manjaro Linux running the 6.13 RT kernel has worked well for stability with Bitwig Studio and Ardour, but the amount if plugins that are impossible or very difficult to install makes it feel limited.
zingo@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Heard of dual boot?
jecht360@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Can’t say I would recommend dual booting both OSes off the same drive. Windows causes too many problems. Put Windows on an entirely separate drive instead and boot to it by changing the boot device in the BIOS.
Aphelion@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I run a dual boot system with no issues at all. Just need a second drive for Linux and let GRUB chain load the Windows disk.
towelie@lemm.ee 1 day ago
When’s the last time you tried? I had a hell of a time dual booting in ~2016, but as of the last five years or so I’ve set up half a dozen dual boots without issue. My current set up has three partitions on the main drive: windows, linux, and a “shared” ntfs partition
Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Why not put it in VM?
The only thing I’d suggest if you do that is to have at least 32 GB of RAM, because I was in a situations where running few Electron apps, and Win11 VM caused RAM to fill up. But if you’re not running Electron apps you should be fine with 16 GB.
And if you’re planning to game, you could use GPU passthrough, but from what I’ve heard it’s a bit hard to set up.
PagPag@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Been doing it for the better part of 20 years now.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I have one, it still isn’t great. Windows update routinely fucks with it. Currently using windows as my daily driver because I can’t be arsed to fix my Linux partition again
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
This is basically what killed my Linux laptop. Some windows update borked the partitions (and not just grub) so that Linux wouldn’t boot anymore. I would never recommend using both on the same disk.
I don’t really use that laptop for much anymore though.
Tea@programming.dev 1 day ago
- To use Windows only and legacy software.
- Some laptops don’t support Linux due to missing drivers.
- Some very old people hate change and would want to use windows 10 till the end of times, matter of fact I had seen a full office with about 5 desktops that is still running windows xp. (Spoiler alert:they got a ransomware 2 years ago.)
- finally, Windows is idiot proof, meaning that it’s kind of hard to ruin desktop windows during the normal operations. In comparison, a bad Linux update could fuck your boot loader beyond repair (it happened to me twice in fact, once on openSUSE tumbleweed and the other on Clear Linux).
Limonene@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I have to disagree about the idiot proof. KDE Plasma and Mate Desktop are more idiot proof and easy for newbies than Windows 10-11, yet have more features in their simple control panels.
I’ve had no bootloader problems in the last 10 years of Debian, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu (15-20 installs, plus another 20-30 if you count VMs.) However, my work computer’s bootloader was semi-bricked twice in 2019 (Windows 7).
Pirata@lemm.ee 1 day ago
- To use Windows only and legacy software.
This is a fair point. If you’re a creator and need adobe software then Linux is pretty much a no go. However, a lot of windows software have Linux equivalents (and those
- Some laptops don’t support Linux due to missing drivers. are generally free as well), so its a matter of doing research.
If you pick the right distribution it may include all the drivers you need. So far I tested 5 distributions and they all worked straight out of the box. I’ll test Linux on a Mac this afternoon and see how it goes, but I’m optimistic it will just work also.
Some very old people hate change and would want to use windows 10 till the end of times, matter of fact I had seen a full office with about 5 desktops that is still running windows xp. (Spoiler alert:they got a ransomware 2 years ago.)
Fine. These people who refuse to adapt to the world can just keep using windows. No skin off my nose either way.
finally, Windows is idiot proof, meaning that it’s kind of hard to ruin desktop windows during the normal operations. In comparison, a bad Linux update could fuck your boot loader beyond repair (it happened to me twice in fact, once on openSUSE tumbleweed and the other on Clear Linux).
Now this “idiot proof” take is really funny. You see, I’ve been using Mint for about a month now, never having to log into Windows. Yesterday I needed to log into windows and was immediately met with an update (against my consent), followed by a blue screen of death and when I restarted my laptop my profile couldn’t be acceded and I was instead logged into a safe Environment.
I ended up having to troubleshoot using the Registry to get my account back. If this is idiot proof I have no idea what you consider a system that just works (which is what Linux does in my experience). You’d feel like Heaven is on Earth.
As for the issues you had, I understand. Rolling releases aren’t for everyone and if you’re not particularly into tinkering or just use your laptop to browse the web, an immutable distro is pretty much unbreakable.
Otherwise, Linux Mint is very conservative so it won’t break with updates (and in the rare instance that does, you can just use Timeshift to rollback the updates anyway).
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I’ll test Linux on a Mac this afternoon and see how it goes, but I’m optimistic it will just work also.
I have Mint running on 2011 and 2014 Mac minis. It’s basically flawless. The only trouble you might have is finding the wifi driver, depending on which model you’re using. Iirc, the minis were fine, but the 2011 MacBook Pro I put it on was a little more difficult to track down. But ethernet worked right out of the box, so it wasn’t a huge deal.
Linux on Apple Silicon is a trickier proposition, but getting less tricky all the time.
Pirata@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Sounds lovely, thank you for that feedback. I’m very excited to try. I’m gonna try to install Aurora OS (immutable) and boot from a pendrive on my wife’s Mac (it has an Intel processor still, so it should be fine). If everything works well, I’m sure shell be very happy.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Windows is idiot proof, meaning that it’s kind of hard to ruin desktop windows during the normal operations.
Are you new? Windows will barf all over itself and all your files doing regular updates. Happened to my wife’s computer just recently. She has almost nothing installed on it aside from Steam and Chrome. Windows update turned itself into a hot mess, and it’s a known issue. The only option was to do a completely fresh install of Windows.
Idiot proof my ass.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com 12 hours ago
I agree. I had frequent problems when I used it, which could take days to figure out, and even then might only be solved by a full reinstall. Linux has had significantly fewer problems for me, and those problems are solved much more easily. My bf is a huge Windows fan, but it seems like he’s struggling with some problem he can’t figure out every other month. Half a drive left as unallocated space instead of being included in a partition, causing constant “disk full” messages, was the most recent issue. On top of bad updates. I don’t bother suggesting he switch, because I know he’s happy with it, but Windowt definitely isn’t problem-free.
ModestCrab@lemmy.wtf 1 day ago
Windows is idiot proof
Could we at least add more idiot support to system crashes?
Windows has a QR code for you to scan, you can make a personalized recovery drive so that it restores your computer, ctrl alt delete gives you options to click on.
gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Re: QR code: tomshardware.com/…/linux-kernel-612-sees-optional…
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Windows only applications mostly. The ones I use are Fusion 360, Photoshop, and Lightroom.
Unfortunately CAD/Graphic design software also often really struggles to run in WINE, especially with updates happening fairly often.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 day ago
The number of times I have read people say the “need” Photoshop and the works is crazy high. I am really curious what important work all of you are doing with all that proprietary software you list as necessary.
Also that is why you should only learn open source software from the start. I’m learning Blender atm and I absolutely refuse to touch anything like Maya. I don’t want to be locked into an operating system by some software.MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
Photoshop I can mostly replace with Photopea and Penpot, but Lightroom alternatives are not easy to use (or are RAW editors only and don’t do photo management) and I haven’t figure out what to do there yet.
Fusion 360 is the real sticking point, there’s no replacement for that or anything that even comes close.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Fusion 360 is a big sticking point for me too. I tried FREECAD but it ran like ass on every system I’ve tried it on. I’m currently dual booting but windows already wiped the secure boot key once which rendered the Linux os unbootable somehow even after I turned off secure boot. That was like a week after setting it up. I hadn’t even got started on the laundry list of other shot I needed to get working on Linux.
Humanius@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve been trying out several Linux distributions over the past couple of weeks to figure out where to go after Windows 10.
I’m very open to switching. but if I have to be honest, there are still plenty of UX problems in my experience. It’s frustrating enough that I keep going back to Windows.taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
How long did you try each one? Usually when trying anything new it takes a little while to get used to the things that you readily accept as “just how things are” with something you have been using for a while. I am a long-term Linux user and I can tell you that Windows has plenty of major UX problems when I occasionally have to use it on someone else’s PC.
Humanius@lemmy.world 1 day ago
When the keyboard doesn’t work correctly, that is not “just how it is” though…
I’m not going to relearn how to type accents for the sake of switching to Linux. The OS should just work correctly out of the box.I tried Mint for four days before getting fed up with things not working as they should, went back to Windows for a week and then tried Fedora for two days again running into very similar issues.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
You might need to switch to a keyboard layout with or without dead keys depending on your preference. Not quite sure how Windows does it these days other than some vague nightmares about the layout switcher thing in the task bar from a few years ago that kept switching back semi-randomly when switching applications. Some of the changes in how accents are typed are actually related to using accented characters less than the characters on their own (e.g. backticks) but others might also be related to making things easier for people with disabilities that prevent them from pressing certain key combinations.
Pirata@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Which distribution did you try?
Humanius@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Mint Cinnamon and Fedora KDE Plasme Desktop.
I ran into various issues, one of them being (for example) incorrect behaviour of dead keys for accented characters. That problem was present in both distros, and I even went so far as to unsuccessfully edit system files to get the desired behaviour.
Pirata@lemm.ee 1 day ago
That problem was present in both distros, and I even went so far as to unsuccessfully edit system files to get the desired behaviour.
What desired behaviour are you talking about exactly?
Because I have used those exact two distros, also with deadkeys since I type in Portuguese and Spanish alongside English, and deadkeys works just fine for me.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Jesus Christ this community never fucking misses a chance change a discussion to Linux. It’s tiresome.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sorry for trying to improve everyone’s lives. How selfish of us to share superior technology.
I guess we’ll just hoard all the good stuff and not let you guys have any of it from now on.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yes well done, thanks for spreading the good news, I’ve been saved.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Torvalds be with you. Go in peace.
some_dude@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I don’t know man, I’ve been trying to mount my network share on Ubuntu for a few days already.
Pirata@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I don’t have experience with setting up networks on Linux, but Ubuntu should have some guides available, no?
In any case, I was speaking from the perspective of someone who used Linux Mint and Fedora. Both work pretty much out of the box with little tinkering.
eleitl@lemm.ee 1 day ago
CIFS or NFS?
LedgeDrop@lemm.ee 1 day ago
… because I have a Samsung Odyssey+ VR headsets, which needs “Windows Mixed Reality” (Windows VR) and was gutted/removed from Windows 11 (and doesn’t work on Linux).
Pirata@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I hear you but, let me get this straight: Windows fleeced you out of a technology they were supposed to support for the years to come, and you’re upset at Linux and still wish to stay with Windows? Lol.
LedgeDrop@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Well, unless this is an offer to buy me a replacement Quest or Pico (all of which, work on Linux) “yes, I’m going to stay with Windows 10” (and/or maybe dual boot).
___@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Developers decide what platforms they want to support based on what resources they have available and the kinds of users they wish to target. They create versions of software where they expect to garner enough market share or based on what gives them the most return on investment. Even at a 4% market share, Linux is still pretty much an edge case for many companies, though I agree that a corporation like Samsung can absolutely afford to make their software available on Linux
mrvictory1@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
lvra.gitlab.io/docs/hardware/ According to this your VR headset works with “✅Monado SteamVR plugin” on Linux
Aphelion@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I wish I could use Linux for everything, but there are still things you need Windows to run. It would be amszing to be able to run Nuke, Houdini, Ableton Live and the Native Instruments manager on Linux, but it’s not remotely possible now.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Biggest one is going to remain gaming. If anything, I’m beginning to feel like Steam Proton is starting to harm Linux gaming efforts more than helping them. I’ve known games that have dropped native Linux support because “It works on Proton!” only for the game to not actually work on Proton.
If we could get to a world where every game could actually be run on Linux with minimal hassle, maybe then you can beat the drum that there’s no point using Windows. Until then, it’s going to remain the OS for gaming.
HC4L@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Linux user here, I really hate this kind of bullshit. Just stick with the facts there are loads of reasons to use Windows. And for a lot of people I would still recommend Windows.
whaleross@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Another twenty plus years Linux server and devices admin and user that found last year that Linux is finally mature and stable enough to replace my desktop too without having the fiddle with it every once in a random update. It was a decision that I can accept making workarounds for legacy windows software and l can live without other eco system. Yeah, there are plenty of reasons that people are still running Windows and keep doing so.
Don’t make being user of an operating system your identity, people. It’s just as annoying and unnecessary as those Apple fanboys we all know and dislike.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Exactly. I’ve been Linux exclusive for something like 15 years, and I’m usually the first to tell people to stick with Windows if there’s even one piece of software they say they’ll miss. If they really want to use Linux, they’ll ignore me. If they would’ve bailed when something didn’t work perfectly, they would likely write it off and never try it again, so it’s better to leave that door open IMO.
pocker_machine@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Exactly. These type of comments only come from an immature POV that how they use Linux is how everyone would use Linux.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Eh, only if someone needs it.
For instance my 75 year old father is happily using Linux Mint on his laptop. Why? Because all he’s doing with it is web surfing, watching youtube, and checking his email. At home that’s all most people are doing, especially older people. I set his up so that it backs up his stuff and auto-updates. It just works and if it does get broken I can recover it with minimal effort.
It’s the same for me at home. My main PC is Linux Mint where I do almost everything. For the occasions I need Windows I have an Intel NUC attached to my KVM. For work I’ve got LM installed on my work laptop and when I need Win11 I have a VM setup in QEMU/KVM with it.
Are there people who have workloads, or gameloads, that only run on Windows? Sure there. We all know that.
But there are a lot of people, especially home users, who could easily run Linux and don’t.
Mondez@lemdro.id 1 day ago
This… It’s not so much that I’d never advocate a windows install, it’s that linux should be the first port of call and Windows be the specialist fallback for when Linux doesn’t handle the use case well.