As I understand it, the protocol has the ability to decentralize built in. But the technical requirements are prohibitively high to the point only large businesses or corps could afford to do it, and I believe (someone correct me) the company hasn’t switched on the functionality yet.
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einkorn@feddit.org 1 day ago
Bluesky, the decentralized social network […]
Were only one instance exist or did I miss something?
InfiniteHench@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Drunemeton@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Last heard (a few months ago) the cost is in storage. The protocol isn’t too complicated now, but it generates a shit ton of data, and IIRC you need a minimum of 3 copies.
mac@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Storage is cheap whwn it comes to webhosting and 3 replicas is honestly not much when it comes to enterprise standards. I think cloud storage providers like backblaze keep something like 9 copies of data across different mediums
noodlejetski@lemm.ee 1 day ago
my mom has always told me that I had the potential to work at NASA. but the requirements are prohibitively high
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
I believe in you!
mPony@lemmy.world 1 day ago
all you need is a work ethic and a time machine
Natanael@infosec.pub 12 hours ago
Maybe you remember PDS federation not being open for a while, but it’s open now.
Running a public appview can be very expensive, but they’re working on making it cheaper to run one with a limited scope.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 19 hours ago
The biggest thing is that you need to be manually authorized by them for federation. They will only ever federate with servers that arent serious enough competition to lead to democratization of the overall network.
Natanael@infosec.pub 12 hours ago
No, PDS federation is fully open now.
They’re also actively supporting development of 3rd party appviews and relays.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 hours ago
The power dynamic is still 1000000:1 they can do whatever they want and you will have to follow. If they defederate you, there is no value in your self hosted instance.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Nope, it’s 100% centralized.
lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
It’s 100% centralized, but with the ability to be decentralized. Sorta like Threads before they started federating
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
Sure, but until it actually gets used significantly in that way, we might as well just say it’s centralized.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
The “ability” to decentralize has costs that scale quadratically. So in every practical sense, it cannot be decentralized. At best it could have a few servers that participate.
Natanael@infosec.pub 12 hours ago
No, it doesn’t scale “quadratically”. That’s what going viral on Mastodon does to a small instance, not on bluesky. Pretty much everything scales linearly. The difference is certain components handle a larger fraction of the work (appview and relay).
Both a bluesky appview and a Mastodon instance scales by the size of the userbase which it interacts with. Mastodon likes to imagine that the userbase will always be consistent, but it isn’t. Anything viewed by a large part of the whole Mastodon network forces the host to serve the entirety of the network and all its interactions. So does a bluesky appview, in just the same way, but they acknowledge this upfront.
Meanwhile, you CAN host a bluesky PDS account host and have your traffic scale only by the rate of your users’ activity + number of relays you push these updates to. Going viral doesn’t kill your bandwidth.
victorz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is a little bit more black and white compared with the other responses. 🙈
Pirata@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
I think their initial selling point was that Eventually©®™ Bluesky would federate with the rest of the Fediverse.
Is anybody really surprised that a social media corporation didn’t make it their utmost priority to allow their userbase to connect out of their proprietary platform?
Natanael@infosec.pub 12 hours ago
They never said they’d do so natively with other protocols - but they support Bridgy, so you already can do that.
Pirata@lemm.ee 4 hours ago
Interesting how other instances of the fediverse have no such restrictions. It’s almost as if they want to make it as difficult as possible so that people just don’t federate.
Natanael@infosec.pub 2 hours ago
There’s literally no restrictions other than simple rate limiting, which you can ask for exceptions for.
I don’t know a Mastodon/lemmy server which wouldn’t rate limit new peers
massi1008@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
You can easily host your own instance with a simple docker stack.
I dont know of any public instances except the main but I also havent searched.
BackwardsUntoDawn@lemm.ee 19 hours ago
you can host your own PDS, but everyone is still using the same appview
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 37 minutes ago
I dont see this in the article.