Also DMs always go through Bluesky themselves.
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egerlach@lemmy.ca 17 hours agoFor those who don’t know, Bluesky isn’t really federated. The only way to host a non-Bluesky instance required 1TB of storage in July 2024, and 5 TB of storage in Nov 2024. Could be way more than that now.
You basically have to be a company to federate into the ATProto (Bluesky) ecosystem. You can’t just “stand up an instance”.
Lots of detail: dustycloud.org/…/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
(I know you’ve already realized that you were conflating Mastodon with Bluesky, I’m putting this here for others who come along so they can get the facts).
meldrik@lemmy.wtf 16 hours ago
73ms@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
yeah the DM system is something completely exclusive to their official servers and that they just rolled up without caring at all about trying to keep up the pretense of wanting to build something decentralized.
Natanael@infosec.pub 4 hours ago
They’re planning on migrating to the new MLS group messaging encryption standard, which is built to support federated messaging encryption (more efficient than the current Matrix protocol)
(also, Matrix are also planning on adopting it, and the RCS spec is getting it too)
It’s long to take a while though. The standard is very recent and nobody has a complete implementation yet.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
That’s not an outlandish amount of storage. You can get more than that for $200.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
At the rate it’s growing, it’s going to get outlandish very quickly.
communism@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
It’s not an outlandish amount, but for instance I have my own VPS where I host a variety of services, and it still has under 1TB storage. Most hobbyists who rent a VPS would have less storage than that.
73ms@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
it keeps constantly growing by terabytes and needs to be fast too though. Means you’re going to pay more than most private individuals are able to long-term just for the privilege of running that one component.
Natanael@infosec.pub 4 hours ago
That’s just if you want a complete copy. You can choose to store only parts of it, and retrieve what’s missing from other relay servers when you need it.
73ms@sopuli.xyz 4 hours ago
seems to be a fairly recent development that isn’t really documented much for now (not that running relays and some other components of the network is that well documented in general). Of course doing it that way also doesn’t help with how centralized the whole thing is…
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Yeah anyone who runs a node is laughing at those numbers
fishos@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
My Jellyfin is 6 times that… And my PC is double that… Seriously, this person thinks 5TB is a lot? Don’t we have SD Cards/Flash Drives this big now? I’d be WAY more concerned about the bandwidth requirements.
AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
its still not a small amount of storage. and no, there’s still not really sd cards or flash drives bigger than 1tb, but obviously that would never suffice as server storage. plus, if you’re hosting a node you’d want at least 4 or 5 times that storage to use a raid 6 array + at least one onsite backup, and one off-site backup.
now we’re talking thousands of dollars in equipment just for storage, not the actual server itself, internet connection, etc.
73ms@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
your home computers would probably not have the reliability or the disk performance required to run it.
aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 13 hours ago
That’s only if you want to maintain a full archive. You don’t actually have to store a full archive to run a relay
73ms@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
source for that?
aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
meldrik@lemmy.wtf 6 hours ago
10 GB RAM, 500 GB SSD
That doesn’t sound cheap though and it would become more expensive over time, right?
SrEstegosaurio@mstdn.social 35 minutes ago
@egerlach @toy_boat_toy_boat Yeah, ATProto is a joke and it is surprising how many computer-toucher folks have fallen for it.